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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 12:33 am 
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I also make my own textured mixes as well. It's a good way to go if you have the room. I buy a gallon of cheap exterior latex paint. I pour it into different paint jars with a little elmer's glue and make my mixes. A fine sand mix, course sand, sand and pebbles whatever...I make about six or seven different mixes. Now, as far as color goes. You can either have the paint tinted where you buy the paint, tint it yourself whilst making your mix or paint over it after it dries. I do all three, personally.  :p

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:57 am 
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The only problem I can see with painting them and then sticking them down is that I have a tendancy to use too much glue, so the paint may come off!!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 1:44 pm 
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You should use a toothpick or something as an applicator.  :p

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>>You should use a toothpick or something as an applicator. ?

..Or one of the types of glue that comes with a fine plastic brush built into the cap for you to use... They are quite useful when you want to use a small ammount, I find. :)

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Yeah, well...those are more expensive. I am a cheapskate with my agglutinates.  :p  I had one of those things and I ,fricken, broke it.  :angry:

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 2:22 pm 
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..To add to what I said, do not get superglues with those brushes- they are absolutely useless!! Poly cement with them= good tho :;): !!

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I usually buy the stuff in squeezy tubes.

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I get them too- the "Humbrol poly cement" sort, in a yellow tube- good for most things, but can be a bit stringy and irritating at times.. :(

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:37 pm 
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Quote (stormseer @ 23 2003 Mar.,22:14)
..Interesting that you flock your bases first Jimbo, and now that I imagine it, I can see the advantages this might well have....

the main advantages for me are

one - the bases are a consistent colour - I use Tamiya Grass Green even if I painted some five years ago or today they are the same colour. I have had real trouble purchasing the same colour flock over the years.

two - the flock will stay stuck, rather than flake off, first it is glued, then undercoated and then painted, therefore it should remain "stuck".

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2003 6:38 am 
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Wow, this is great stuff.  I've always had the hardest time with my flock.  I'll have to give those methods a few trys.

I use good 'ol testors liquid cement to attach the infantry to bases.  I don't even worry about paint getting in the way.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2003 9:23 am 
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I ought to add that I glue the flock to my bases with thinned PVA or White Wood Glue

another advantage of painting is that the flock doesn't need to cover the whole base

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>>another advantage of painting is that the flock doesn't need to cover the whole base

What do you mean exactly Jimbo? ???

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I'll try and explain without pictures

imagine if you can an unpainted base of Space Marines, the Marines are painted, what are you going to do with the base

if you are going to flock, you need to ensure you get glue all over the base, between the figures (and their legs) before adding the flock - if you fail to cover glue the whole base you will get patches of base showing through the flock

whereas if you paint after flocking, it won't matter as much

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Yeah, see what you mean Jimbo, and I can definatly see the benefits of this- I may well start using it for my Epic minis...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2003 5:18 pm 
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Personally, I think that it's not necessary to have a lot of texture on an epic stand.  Mostly, I paint/model for table-top quality and really detailed stands just don't look as good as something with a more homogenous base during play (imho, of course).

I bought a decent sized bag of green flock a long time ago, and mixed in some sanding dust (not sawdust, it's too coarse for epic) from a woodworking shop.  It's free and it adds some variety.  I don't think I'll need more ever in my entire life.

For infantry, I usually sparypaint a base color on the figs, glue, paint the details, and then flock.

To flock, I mix a Liquitex acrylic (cheap, good enough quality for this, and thick), PVA glue (Elmer's), and thin it down to a paintable consistency with water.  I paint the base with the mix and while it is still wet I put the stand into the flock, rake it over the entire base, and let it sit until dry.  Obviously, the flock adheres to the glue/paint mix.

I can tint the color of the flock depending on what color paint I mix with the glue.  If I want woodland/jungle, I use a green.  If I want a more neutral or rocky look I use a brown or gray.  If I want a desert look, I use brown and straight sanding dust instead of the flock mix.

Once they are dry, I take them out and tap off the excess onto a sheet of paper.  Then I roll the paper up and dump the loose flock back into the mix.  After several hundred stands, I can barely tell that I've used any of the flock at all.

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