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When I have enough samples to send them, which have to be at least the quality of this piece, and which I can cast, so as not to be forced to send them the originals, I would love to apply for some freelance work.
However, if there happens to be anyone from FW or SG surfing these forums, I would not be opposed to a project offer right now either...well, one can try
... or sell your stuff "bootlegged" to us !
Well, I'm not quite up on legal matters, but I suppose *if* I ever got around to casting them, and the results were of sufficient quality, I hope I would not be stepping on GW's toes by selling/trading a few individual pieces to those people who have always cheered me on here
. However, at the moment the perspective on casting looks bleak, since I just checked my RTV rubber and resin, and the latter in particular has aquired a rather strange consistency (by which I mean it basically looks like dairy products past their prime, with fat and water having separated...).
Now I prefer to buy my casting supplies at Tiranti's, a sculptors' shop in London, and unfortunaltely I probably won't be going there during the holidays this time around.
Now there *is* a crafts shop selling some casting products in a neighboring town, but the quality seems rather inferior to me...maybe I'll try them out anyway, but I fear it might just be a waste of money...
Agreed, having just reviewed your stuff in Incoming
Oh yes, I just saw that myself.
Kudos to whoever edited it, well done. In particular I like the Black and White SoB and Tau at the top. The only minor gripe I have is that my nickname has been spelled wrong again ... but I'm used to that on the net, I suppose it's due to different phonographemic associations by speakers of different native languages, since it's always the "s" and the "n" that get either redoubled or have one out of two omitted. Verily a fascinating research subject...
I'd give my left leg to have a shot painting some of your work
If I ever cast some of them to satisfactory quality (see above), I will send you some pieces, on the condition that I get some painted one's back (and on the condition that you keep your leg)
Keep it up & more to the point, keep telling us mere mortals how you did it!
Well, I don't really know what to talk about in detail, except for those points what I've already touched upon. Do you have any specific questions? Befopre anyone asks, no I don't have in-progress-shots, since I started this one way before I ever had a camera, so a step-by-step all-the-way-through documentation is not possible I'm afraid.
Wow... I will take 200!
Well, you will gain 200 Stealers and in return you will lose your sanity assembling them, if my experiences posing that accursed thing were any indication...
I think you should do the other new style tyranids too ?
The funny thing is, when I was just about to post the pics, I had a look into the New Tyranids topic, and couldn't help but smile
Cheers,
Drasannar
(pronounced with a voiced "s" and a long, syllabic, "n" ;-))
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Yeah heres me racking my brains trying to think of how to convert stuff and some one comes along and sculpts from scratch the coolest epic 'nid i have ever seen! I am having difficulty desiding whether you have created a nano-genestealer or whether you "just" sculpted up a wh40k scale epic IG dude. Seriously though that is impressive! I'm with Justinel on this one i want an army of both the SOB and genestealers. _________________ Without disappointment, you can?t appreciate victory. |
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Damn, you got me   _________________ "...and they taught me terror. How to use it and how to face it." |
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| Warmaster Nice |
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Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 3:18 pm Posts: 40 |
I don't know, since I only have personal experience with resin, not with any kind of metal. However, Warmaster Nice's arguments are rather logical I think. Particularly the part regarding better ?preservation of detail in resin casting would partly explain why forgeworld go for resin, not to mention that the equipment is probably cheaper to set up and maintain than that for metal casting (which is why most people who cast at home don't use metal, besides the obvious safety hazards associated with a) fuming and b)burning hot liquid metal.). However, besides the question of resin vs. metal there are other issues that affect quality. Two that come to my mind immediately would be: -Mould making <=has mostly to do with the level of skill and experience of the mould-maker (e.g. from personal experience: placing the mini, pouring the rubber the right way or devising a good layout for air-vents), which is also related to the amount of time invested, and the type and quality of the rubber used for the mould (e.g. I probably wouldn't be able to make a proper mould at the moment, due to my rubber having become thicker and more "gummy" in consictency than before, making it less likely that it would properly flow into all the detail.) -Quality of metal/resin: I have noticed for example that the resin FW uses is very different from what I have at home, and I suppose it's of quite good quality. The main problem with resin is that with such small miniatures there's a greater risk that they break before they leave the mould. |
Indeed. About one and a half years ago I cast a few Starcraft pieces, only slightly smaller than epic scale, and breakage during removal and cleaning was the major problem besides some air bubbles I couldn't get rid of that were even more annoying.
If you rename the minis into things that aren't at all related to GW's ip I don't think you're doing anything wrong.
That's walking a fine line. First of all, if it's based on their designs, than, no matter the name you sell it by, it *is* infringement of their copyrighted material.
Now this is not a major problem in Fantasy, as many fantasy designs (not all, however) are fairly generic, and as long as you are not precisely copying a GW mini, you should be fine.
However 40K has a much more unique imagery.
And a major deviation from that style would in my eyes pretty much rob the design of its unique flavour.
And beyond that, even *if* you ?changed the style, e.g. create Necrons which look skeletal, but in a different way, as soon as GW notices that you have a thriving business going
selling several miniature lines which make almost perfect substitutes for the lines of one of their systems, they will just gun you down with superior legal force, to prevent erosion of their trademark.
So, unless GW relinquishes their copyright to us (which won't happen, unless there are several multimillionaires among us who haven't spoken up yet willing to purchase it) mass-producing such a line and selling it openly would be a no-no.
I you do sculpts of things that GW hasn't done themselves like obliterators or necrons then you can't be accused of copying either can you? Just call them "evil robots" and "gun monster"
See above. They have done them in other scales, and even before that, they have developed the concept, which is easy to prove by producing the related concept sketches upon inquiry.
As I said, only substantial deviations from the design (and they would have to be substantial, simple reduction of detail wouldn't suffice, since that is a feature inherent to reduction in scale.) would save you, but lose much of the aesthetic flavour IMO (and that very flavour is what attracts me to the 40K universe, anyway). And even that wouldn't necessarily save you, as explained above.
Now I certainly *wouldn't* mind sculpting a line of the new Tyranids for FW, nor would i mind giving out some of the 'Stealers to you all when properly cast.
Cheers,
Drasannar
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