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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:58 pm 
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Getting within aa range and arc of the target during an intercept well expose you to aa fire before commencing your own attack. Yes, intercepted orks possibly get to shoot first if you decide to move within 15cm. It will only hit on 6+ though and only really applicable to Tbolts (that go all in) and Doomwings. More dangerous vs Landas


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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Tournament Pack
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:02 pm 
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Ok, but where it says that it is different for the defending unit from its allies in the conditions to fire (''at any point'' vs ''only at the end'' like you put it? I would like to know to tell others in the future but i do not see it. It specifies it with ground units that it can be if they pass at any point of their approach move and aircraft at the end, but i find nothing about differences between aircraft formation allies of the defender and defending aircraft formations, only between ground units and aircraft.


See the original FAQ for 4.2.4 here, this allows any enemy aircraft to target interceptors "at the end of their approach move": https://www.tacticalwargames.net/taccmd ... 15#p446315

My mistake earlier on, here's what I should have said:

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Any aircraft formation gets to fire its AA at any enemy aircraft formation that ends its approach move within range of that AA (this is from the FAQ above).

Any ground formation that is not broken and has not marched gets to fire its AA at any enemy aircraft formation that moved within ranged of that AA during its approach or disengagement move.


I had thought somewhere Neal had said that the target of an interception gets to fire at those interceptors if they moved within range of its AA during their approach move. I can't find it right now, can anyone else? If that's not the case it does seem like a powerful bump for Ork Fighta-bommers (who shoot all around) based on who we've been playing it in New England. Or maybe not, they're only range 15cm.

Yeah it has certainly been made quite complicated, the rules not all being consolidated together and placed in different sections (aircraft vs flak etc).

Dave in answer to your question I don’t think I have seen it played that defending aircraft work differently to intercepted aircraft when it comes to passing through vs ending move. As far as I know it’s played here that all flying aircraft only fire defensively when the attacker ends their move in the right spot. Whereas landed aircraft use the flak rules so any point in the approach move counts. I can’t rule it out though, I’m not sure if it ever came up.

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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Tournament Pack
PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:37 pm 
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I think it's boiling down to me mis-reading Neal's response wayback when. I'll read them over one more time, and then update the FAQ if needed.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:02 am 
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FWIW Dave (having not played for years), I have a similar recollection to yours from way back.
  1. In the simple case, defending ground units fire on attacking aircraft making a ground attack before the ground attack takes place. These ‘flak attacks’ are made if the enemy a/c have passed within arc and range even if they end up elsewhere.
  2. CAP Attacks work in the same way, the ‘target’ aircraft and any friendly ground units fire on the CAPping a/c before they attack the target. The difference being that the target a/c can only shoot if the enemy a/c end their movement in range.
  3. The more complex situation under discussion occurs where a subsequent ground attack (or interception) takes place and there are a/c on the table from earlier activations. IIRC Neal ruled that for these earlier a/c to fire on the latest arrivals, the enemy a/c had to end their move in arc and range of the ‘defensive’ a/c. Note there are still essentially two parts of the activation; the ‘defensive fire’ from all relevant units takes place before the attackers shoot.
  4. Finally the most complex situation occurs where players opt to ‘CAP a CAP’. Here each CAP is resolved separately considering the relevant defensive and attacking fire, with the surviving a/c taking part in subsequent actions.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:58 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Tournament Pack
PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:50 pm 
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I fixed the Aircraft FAQ mentioned above, as well as a few more lingering typos. I'll be getting to the Skitarii this week as time allows.

I've also changed how everything is dated. I'm no longer using the date the file was last changed, but rather the date the file was last changed in the code repository. The old way meant that the dates changed when I started to work on the TP at a new machine or in a different directory (bad or, at least, dumb). The new way means that an army list's date only changes when there's actually a change to it (good).

Because of this, you'll notice a few of the lists are being back dated and no longer "2020-04-24" (e.g. Codex Astartes is now 2019-10-17 rather than 2020-04-24). The lists are exactly the same, no changes to the list happened after 2019, the 2020 date was just an artefact of me starting to work on the TP at a different machine. So now for the next pandemic there will be one less thing for me to worry about when working from home.

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Dave wrote:
I've also changed how everything is dated. I'm no longer using the date the file was last changed, but rather the date the file was last changed in the code repository. The old way meant that the dates changed when I started to work on the TP at a new machine or in a different directory (bad or, at least, dumb). The new way means that an army list's date only changes when there's actually a change to it (good).

That's a fantastic change!

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Skitarii added. I also managed to shoe-horn the army list into one page. Let me know if you find typos.

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Dave wrote:
Skitarii added. I also managed to shoe-horn the army list into one page. Let me know if you find typos.


I've been eagerly looking forward to this, so thanks. O0

* Sagitarii Rapier upgrade should be +25 points.
* Titan weapons don't list costs for Ordinati Minorus.
* Chimedon carrying capacity should be one, not two.
* Hydra stats are missing (just like they were in the pdf).


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Fixed. I'm out of room for alternate prices for the weapons in their table, so I added it to the army list special rule. It's similar wording to the War Griffons duplicate weapon surcharge so I think it works there.

Also, the Imperial Fists got an update to fix a misspelling on Tarantula.

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Further notes on the Skitarii:

Chimedons cannot carry Rapiers or Praetorians. This is a list specific restriction due to the size of those units.
Secutors do not have the Leader ability.
Colossus Robots are AV not LV.
Colossus Autocannons have 6+ AA @ 30cm.
Ordinatus Majoris weapon mount is fixed forward. This doesn't seem to be indicated anywhere.
Ordinatus Minorus are only allowed to take Battle Titan weapons. This is not indicated on the TP list.

I don't like the clarity of the Demi-century wording. The unit is 2 secutors and 8 hypaspists. It has two upgrades: replace 5 hypaspists with 5 gun servitors and replace three hypaspists with 3 secutors. The free upgrade shouldn't be folded into the default unit.

Is there a reason for renaming weapons? Hypaspists have Mauler Bolt Cannons, not Heavy Bolters. Rapiers have Rapier Laser Destroyers which I think is a specific weapon to them so as not to confuse with Laser Destroyers.

Should the Lyasander Fighter also appear here since the Warmonger Titan can be taken?

I think that's all I've been able to find in the TP list.

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