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So, Where Exactly Are We with The Rules?
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Author:  Irisado [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:31 pm ]
Post subject:  So, Where Exactly Are We with The Rules?
I've read through the latest discussions regarding the position of the rules, and I've ended up more confused than ever. I wonder if someone has a spare moment to answer the following questions to help me out?

Is the Draft 2012 army lists compendium a replacement for all previous army lists? Does it also replace the official GW army lists?

What's the current status of the NetERC rules? Are these considered as a replacement for the official GW rules or simply an alternative?

Finally, where is the most up to date version of the NetERC rules? It's probably somewhere really obvious, but I can't seem to find a downloadable version on the forum.
Author:  zombocom [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So, Where Exactly Are We with The Rules?
Irisado wrote:
Is the Draft 2012 army lists compendium a replacement for all previous army lists? Does it also replace the official GW army lists?


As far as netEA is concerned, yes, these are the latest versions of every list.

Irisado wrote:
What's the current status of the NetERC rules? Are these considered as a replacement for the official GW rules or simply an alternative?


There are no current rule changes proposed by the netERC; the latest version of the rules are those on the GW website which were updated a year or two ago.

Irisado wrote:
Finally, where is the most up to date version of the NetERC rules? It's probably somewhere really obvious, but I can't seem to find a downloadable version on the forum.


See above; there are no netERC rules; the GW website documents are the correct latest versions.

There is a netERC master FAQ which makes some interpretations on those rules however.
Author:  Mephiston [ Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So, Where Exactly Are We with The Rules?
Depends on what you mean by official. If you mean stamped approval by GW then the lists on its website are the official ones. The compendium contains all the lists under development by the netEA project and should be the ones used unless your playtesting specific changes as suggested by the AC for that list. What lists you use is entirely up to yourself and your play group.

There are no netERC rules. The game is played using the rule book with the 2008 amendments applied.

netEA does maintain a master FAQ that has some additional suggestions based on forum discusions here and I belive are widely used.
Author:  Irisado [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 2:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So, Where Exactly Are We with The Rules?
Thanks for the replies.

I'm sorry for not being clearer about the rules. What I was trying to discern was whether the NetERC FAQ applies to the official GW rules? Judging by your replies, I assume that it does, providing you're using NetERC amendments in the first place.

Regarding the army lists, the NetERC lists thus only apply if your group is playing NetERC Epic in that case. This is okay by me, but because I don't have an Epic gaming group, I'm just confused about which route to go down. I.e. I don't know whether to use the NetERC lists or the official GW lists. Do you any suggestions?

It would be so much simpler if everyone would just play to the same set of rules, but I know that this is wishful thinking on my part.
Author:  zombocom [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 2:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So, Where Exactly Are We with The Rules?
Irisado wrote:
I'm sorry for not being clearer about the rules. What I was trying to discern was whether the NetERC FAQ applies to the official GW rules? Judging by your replies, I assume that it does, providing you're using NetERC amendments in the first place.


Yes. The FAQ is intended to clarify points from the rules on GW's site. There are no "netERC amendments", only the official GW amendments from 2008, which have been edited into the online documents.

Irisado wrote:
Regarding the army lists, the NetERC lists thus only apply if your group is playing NetERC Epic in that case. This is okay by me, but because I don't have an Epic gaming group, I'm just confused about which route to go down. I.e. I don't know whether to use the NetERC lists or the official GW lists. Do you any suggestions?


Basically, GW stopped supporting epic years ago, so the community created netEA to continue to develop the lists. If you want to be 100% official then just use the stuff from the GW site, but you'll be sererely limiting yourself in terms of what lists are available and list balance.

Otherwise, I'd recommend the netEA lists. They're generally more balanced and have a much wider range of armies available.

Irisado wrote:
It would be so much simpler if everyone would just play to the same set of rules, but I know that this is wishful thinking on my part.


Alas, from the moment GW stopped supporting Epic this was no longer going to be possible.
Author:  Irisado [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 2:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So, Where Exactly Are We with The Rules?
zombocom wrote:
Yes. The FAQ is intended to clarify points from the rules on GW's site. There are no "netERC amendments", only the official GW amendments from 2008, which have been edited into the online documents.


I didn't realise that the 2008 amendments had been worked into the online documents. Is the combined amendments and FAQ somewhere on this site?

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Basically, GW stopped supporting epic years ago, so the community created netEA to continue to develop the lists. If you want to be 100% official then just use the stuff from the GW site, but you'll be sererely limiting yourself in terms of what lists are available and list balance.

Otherwise, I'd recommend the netEA lists. They're generally more balanced and have a much wider range of armies available.


Oh yes, I'm more than aware of GW's lack of support. I should have said that I'm not new to the game, but I do lose track of all the NetERC stuff, and get very confused by the whole development process. It doesn't help that I don't log in here every day. I also got very confused in the past when there was the old army book which Markconz produced alongside the ongoing NetERC revisions. It's just very difficult to keep up to date.

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Alas, from the moment GW stopped supporting Epic this was no longer going to be possible.


Agreed, it just makes life very difficult when you fall out of the loop of what has been going on for a while.
Author:  zombocom [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So, Where Exactly Are We with The Rules?
Hopefully things should be made a lot easier thanks to the new netEA Epic Army Lists Compendium that just got released.
Author:  Dave [ Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: So, Where Exactly Are We with The Rules?
Irisado wrote:
I didn't realise that the 2008 amendments had been worked into the online documents. Is the combined amendments and FAQ somewhere on this site?


The FAQ is here:

viewtopic.php?f=69&t=18419

The 2008 amendments are in the errata here:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/conte ... Id=4900003
Author:  mango2 [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: So, Where Exactly Are We with The Rules?
I would like to bump this thread because I think discussing it will help the community formulate a possible sticky detailing a welcome to new members and outlining the rules and army lists and where we are at as a community

Dave wrote:
Irisado wrote:
I didn't realise that the 2008 amendments had been worked into the online documents. Is the combined amendments and FAQ somewhere on this site?


The FAQ is here:

viewtopic.php?f=69&t=18419

The 2008 amendments are in the errata here:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/conte ... Id=4900003


There is however an online rules document where (some/all? i dont know)the Q&A and errata has been included into that document. Is that document accurate and accepted by the community as a merging of the GW site rules and their errata?

If that document is accurate then shouldnt we illustate that 'this is the rules document' and then delete the redundant Q&A? from this site to 'clean house' so to speak and simplify the forum for new members
Author:  Dobbsy [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: So, Where Exactly Are We with The Rules?
Also, please be aware that unit stats shown in the GW rules set are superseded by the NetEA lists if you intend to use the NetEA lists. If you're cool with just using the GW rulebook and all contained within it, then by all means crack on! ;)
Author:  frogbear [ Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: So, Where Exactly Are We with The Rules?
Dave wrote:
Irisado wrote:
I didn't realise that the 2008 amendments had been worked into the online documents. Is the combined amendments and FAQ somewhere on this site?


The FAQ is here:

viewtopic.php?f=69&t=18419


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