It's just a case of confusion over who's in charge of Imperial Navy stats.

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Sorry, Rug. My fault. I jumped the gun when I PM'd you. You seemed to me the likely person to oversee the Imperial Navy. However, the ERC still slowly continues to discuss. This kind of confusion wouldn't even take place had we decided upon this in the first place but you know what they say about hindsight.

I think moving forward with the stats is fine. I'll work on hammering out the formalities of handling IN in the future.

Zombocom, it was your thread... Do you feel like it's mission accomplished or do you want to leave things open for further discussion?

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I'd say in this case we have mission accomplished.

It's good that this has triggered the netERC to think about what to do about similar cases in future, but for now I think we're done here.

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FYI Steve54 will oversee Imperial Navy cross-army issues like this. So two problems solved ain't too shabby.

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Yup, that makes sense.

For the sake of argument, I presume as Xenos champion Chroma would oversee any such issues with Xenos lists? Not likely I know, but there could be things like eldar/dark eldar usage of harlequins etc...

What about titans? Are they under Steve54's remit or the AMTL champion?

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Am I right that this is the consensus view
Armour --
Wingtip Lascannons: 30cm AT5+/AA5+
Long-Barrel Autocannon: 45cm AP5+/AT6+/AA5+

If so then go with that. As rubber stamping Imperial aircraft stats falls under my Human Chair role I'm happy to go with the consensus when relevant ACs agree.

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Guys, sorry for the very late comments. I presume from the lengthy debate that everyone is thinking about using formations of two Lightnings.

Has anyone considered the possibilities of formations of three Lightnings and adjusting the stats accordingly, so something like

Armour --
Long-barrelled auto cannon:- AA6+
Wingtip Lascannons:- AP5+/AT5+/AA5+

This formation would have 6x AA shots (an improvement over the TBolt equivalent) and weaker Ground attack potential with only 3x shots, but crucially slightly better survivability as a formation. However, each individual fighter is obviously weaker than the corresponding TBolt.

As to the 45cm range debate, it is really not necessary and this approach provides the desired diferentiator Vs the TBolts. All these weapons should be kept at 30cm range along with the fighter stats from other races.

Interesting thought, but the models are sold in 2's, at £12 per set IIRC.

So I'd say that flying around in 2's or 4's would be better than 3's.

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I did consider the 3 strong formation, but as E&C says, the models come in twos.

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Actually more than two aircrafts in a formation is pretty unpractical from a real-world standpoint of view. One Wingleader and his Wignman is the way to go.

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BL, while you may be correct, the British started WWII flying in formations of three.

As to the "number in a pack" this is a very poor argument; buy three packs to get two flights. The point being that you will need more if you are intending to use both variants. Anyway you could use other proxies if the model and mood takes your fancy.

Final thought is that we could revert to a flight of two for the other variant if the stats are more appealing - and use the last one as an objective marker.

Ginger: I own a pack already, and don't want to have to spend another £12 (or £24 to make all the models usable).

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From what I've read, this was basically a failure -- the two following planes spent far too much time watching each other as well as the leader. Took a while, and a fair amount of loss during the Battle of Britain to adopt a different formation.

AFAIK the finger-four formation (2 formations of two aircrafts each) is even in use today. It was invented by the Finnisch andthe Germans during the Spanish Civil War independently from each other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger-four

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either way, it's taken 18 pages to get to a consensus on stats (well done to everyone too!), so let's not throw that all in the bin by reopening the discussion and changing fm sizes and stats etc. If 2 strong fms are too cheap or too fragile, then individual ACs can look into fm sizes later.