I have had a little thought about the wording here to try to sort out the question of upgrades, replacements etc.
I think the solutioin might be as follows
Revise the Marine Transport wording slightly as follows
Quote:
“Space Marine Transport – The Space Marines are a highly mobile army. Because of this, the points cost of a detachment usually includes enough Rhinos to transport it and any upgrades that have been taken. The number of transport vehicles will always be the minimum needed to carry the formation (though some transport upgrades may exceed this). To work out the formation transport,
1. Add any transport upgrades (except Razorbacks) to the formation.
2. Add enough Rhinos to transport any remaining infantry that won’t fit into the available vehicles.
3. Apply the Razorback upgrade to any Rhinos in the formation.
4. Add any other vehicle upgrades to the formation.
Note that many formations don’t receive Rhinos, usually because they can’t fit into them. Detachments that come with Rhinos will be noted as having ‘plus transport’ in the units section of the army list.
Also note that you don’t have to take Rhinos if you don’t want to. If you’d rather field the formation on foot instead, so it can act as a garrison for example, or be transported in a Thunderhawk Gunship, then you may do so.
In addition, you may choose to replace a detachment’s Rhinos with Drop Pods. If you do this then the detachment will enter play in a Drop Pod using the rules for planetfall (see the EPIC Armageddon Rulebook, section 4.4). Note that if you choose to do this you will also require at least one Space Marine Strike Cruiser or Battle Barge to deploy the Drop Pods from."
Then within each vehicle upgrade, the definition needs to specify whether it is a transport upgrade and whether there is a limit to the number of transport vehicles that can be added:-
Some example definitions
- We wish to present "Land Raiders" as a formation upgrade that does not replace Rhinos etc. The only limit is specified in the number of vehicles that may be added
LAND RAIDERS :- Add up to four Land Raiders to the formation.
- We wish to present "Land Raiders" as a transport upgrade to the formation that can exceed transport minimums, but losing Rhinos if they are exceeded.
LAND RAIDERS :- Add up to four Land Raiders as transport.
- We wish to present "Land Raiders" as a transport upgrade to the formation that complies with transport maximums
LAND RAIDERS :- Add up to four Land Raiders as transport, to the maximum required for the formation.
Note
Option a) will allow Devastators to take up to four Land Raiders in addition to their Rhinos.
Option b) will allow Devastators to take up to four Land Raiders, but no Rhinos if more than two LRs are added.
Option c) will allow the Devastators to take up to two Land Raiders.
What do you think guys - does this help clear things up a bit, and does it allow for other transport options like Caestus, Storm Raven etc?
