Let's see if we can do this. First off, the two specific rules:
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Blood Rage of Khorne
Any ******** formation which has at least one unit that can reach base contact with an enemy may perform an Engage action with a +1 modifier to the initiative roll.
If a ********* formation that has at least one unit that can reach base contact with an enemy decides to perform any other action other than an Engage, they will receive a -1 modifier to their initiative roll.
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The Red Thirst
On a failed Action Test Blood Angels formations take a Blast Marker as normal, and then instead of a Hold action they must Engage the closest eligible enemy formation, moving at towards the enemy with at least the full speed of the slowest unit in the formation and attempting to reach base-to-base with as many infantry and Dreadnought units as possible.
Frogbear's view: I have showed ~20 games with a similar rule to the Red Thirst without the need to 'force' a non-tactical move. I was advised by many who had not played the list that it was "too powerful". Regardless of the games played and discussions, I could not gain agreement so I then went onto make the Blood Rage rule shown above. Somehow the Red Thirst then came into being as acceptable.
I am open to consolidating these two rules as they are the same thing under a different name in theory. My only stance is that I do not accept the need for a forced move which takes all tactics away from the player. I have played the 'father' of the Red Thirst rule extensively, so I am going to go by my own experiences. I have also extensively played the World Eaters so I know how hard it is for them to survive an entire battle.
I will protect the need for the World Eaters to not just run out into the open as the army cannot survive such rules. With no special rules and formations with 2+ initiative, the Red Thirst is not a viable option for the World Eaters. I see no reason why the Blood Angels however should not adopt the Blood Rage rule.
So with the above in mind, can we attain agreement on a shared rule? Let the discussions begin.
