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[NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.1
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Author:  Chroma [ Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:31 pm ]
Post subject:  [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.1
Greetings from the NetERC!

The NetEA Army Project continues to grind forward, and this is the latest release of the various NetEA Space Marine Army lists. As always, we need your help weeding out typos, errors, and accidental exclusions.

It contains:

Codex Astartes Space Marines - FINAL
White Scars - FINAL
Scions of Iron v1.3.4 - Development
Black Templars v3.5 - Development
Blood Angels v2.8 - Development
Dark Angels v3.0 - Experimental
Raven Guard v1.4 - Experimental
Salamanders v1.11 - Experimental

I've hesitated on including fairly untested lists like Iron Fists and Space Wolves, but let me know if you think they should be included in some fashion, as this document is not to be an "exclusive" listing. If there's a Chapter/army list that's been missed, or mistakes/errors made, let us know!

I've taken some liberties with unit stats for new lists (and one old one!). Going over so many lists reveals that many "Chapter-specific" units are simply the regular units with a new special ability or such added. To eliminate the proliferation of a horde of datafaxes that are almost identical, for the most part, I've listed the normal unit names in variant lists and provided a special rule box that talks about the unit modifications.

Note that this document is NOT designed as a "supplement" were such details and individual datafaxes with pictures and such are desired; an army's "unique" units can easily be shown in such a setting where they just clutter up a workbook.

Looking forward to your input! (And more to come!)

NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.1
Author:  Flogus [ Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.
After a quick look, here are some comments :

Emperor's Champion : 'Sniper' ? I thought Sniper ability was only a shooty ability.

If Predator Incinerator has (Small arms), Ignore Cover, why Land Raider Redeemer hasn't ? same for Baal Predator ?

Blood Angels list : the 'Stormravens' upgrade is described, but no core formations is allowed to take it.
Also no formations are allowed to take "Snipers". And in all other previous list, the name of the option is "Sniper_" (no 's').
In the upgrades allowed for the Strike Cruiser, there is no space between between "battle" and "barge" ("battlebarge")

CC5+ for Baal Predator ?

The stats for DA Tactical Pasma cannon is AP4+/AT64.
With so many Slow Firing weapons, I have a headache just to think about it ! :)

If Dark Angels special units have their own profile, why isn't it the same for Salamanders units ?
Author:  Chroma [ Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.
Flogus wrote:
Emperor's Champion : 'Sniper' ? I thought Sniper ability was only a shooty ability.

Sniper is normally a shooting ability, unless it is specifically assigned to a different type of weapon; so, in this case, a hit generated by the attack give -1 to armour save and can be assigned by the attacker to any unit in range, base contact here, of the Emperor's Champion.

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If Predator Incinerator has (Small arms), Ignore Cover, why Land Raider Redeemer hasn't ? same for Baal Predator ?

Different designers, I assume, with no ruling from the head Army Champion.

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Blood Angels list : the 'Stormravens' upgrade is described, but no core formations is allowed to take it.
Also no formations are allowed to take "Snipers". And in all other previous list, the name of the option is "Sniper_" (no 's').

No idea, the Army Sub-Champion will have to address this (other than the actual spelling of the upgrades!).

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In the upgrades allowed for the Strike Cruiser, there is no space between between "battle" and "barge" ("battlebarge")

CC5+ for Baal Predator ?


The stats for DA Tactical Pasma cannon is AP4+/AT64.[/quote]

All typos; should be CC6+ and AP4+/AT4+

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With so many Slow Firing weapons, I have a headache just to think about it ! :)

Just gotta get some different coloured beads to put beside units that have slow-fired... easy! :D

Thanks for your keen eyes!
Author:  Dobbsy [ Sun Apr 25, 2010 11:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.
Well I'd actually like to see the Space Wolves in there, if only for the reason that they'll get more coverage and perhaps more play time.
Author:  Blish [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.
I thought there was quite a bit of talk / discussion on reducing the cost of Vindicators.
Author:  Chroma [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.
Flogus wrote:
Also no formations are allowed to take "Snipers". And in all other previous list, the name of the option is "Sniper_" (no 's').

Turns out there's no Sniper option at all in the Blood Angels, it has been removed.

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If Dark Angels special units have their own profile, why isn't it the same for Salamanders units ?


Because this is a workbook, not a supplement; if a bunch of "base" units are changed in just a single way for an army, such as a weapon swap, it will tend to be just listed as that swap instead of new profiles. *New* units will tend to get a profile, as will armies where only a single unit gets a change.

The assumption is made that once such an army "made it" into a supplement, their full details and datafaxes would be included.

For example, all the Raven Guard Land Speeder variants get planetfall, a simple statement detailing that is preferable to a set of 4-6 datafax entries duplicating already existing units and just adding "planetfall" to all their "Notes:" sections.

Does that make sense?
Author:  Chroma [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.
Blish wrote:
I thought there was quite a bit of talk / discussion on reducing the cost of Vindicators.

I'd advise speaking to Hena about that, in the actual Space Marine development forum; some lists seem to have reduced them to a 50 point value, while others have not.

I believe there is still some debate on basic Land Raiders being 75 or 85 points, depending on how much the Rhinos they replace are worth in "with transport" detachments.
Author:  Flogus [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.
Chroma wrote:
Does that make sense?

Yep.
It was just a comment about standardisation in the wording of the different lists.
Author:  frogbear [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.
Thanks for the work on this Chroma

You can tell alot of time has gone into it.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.
Thumbs up.
Author:  Angel_of_Caliban [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.
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Dark Angels Space Marine armies have a strategy rating of 5. All Dark Angels and Titan Legion formations have an initiative rating of 1+. Imperial
Navy aircraft formations have an initiative rating of 2+. The ‘They Shall Know No Fear’ rule applies to all Dark Angel formations.


Why would a DA player need to know the Initiative ratings of Formations he can't take? I.E. Titan and Navy. =)

Typo? I think so...

EDIT: Also BA list show Titan Initiative value and yet no Titans.
Author:  Chroma [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.
Angel_of_Caliban wrote:
Why would a DA player need to know the Initiative ratings of Formations he can't take? I.E. Titan and Navy. =)

EDIT: Also BA list show Titan Initiative value and yet no Titans.

Previous versions had access to Aircraft and Titans, this has now been removed.
Author:  adam77 [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.
Great work Chroma!

is there a change log for changes to the 'final' lists since the last draft?
Author:  Blish [ Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:11 am ]
Post subject:  Re: [NEW!] NetEA Army Compendium - DRAFT - Space Marines v1.
Hena wrote:
Would have been nice to give me heads up and send a draft beforehand :). I can't go through it now in work, but I think you should add the Wolves there by Dobbsy.



I would suggest then if you were going to do this then you should add the APOCRYPHA OF SKAROS list by Simulated Knave as there has been a lot more play tests with his list.
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