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Author:  Dobbsy [ Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:36 am ]
Post subject:  Official EA rules vs NetEa rules/lists
Ok now the GW website is updated with the errata'd rulebook, what are we supposed to use? I can see for the actual game rules we can specifically use the GWEA stuff, however, it seems there are still small to moderate differences in the lists in the GW doc. The marine list for instance still has the Land Raider as 400 points a formation with a FF5+, whereas the NetEA list has them at 350 with FF4+; or the Marauder at 300 GWEA vs 250 NetEA.

I was under the impression that the NetEA stuff was supposed to have supplanted the GW stuff and we could instead refer to just one ruleset/lists at a glance with the update and not have to carry two lists around.

This all just leads to confusion about NetEA/GWEA, for tourney purposes at least, and it must still be annoying, to not only new players, but veteran ones too.

Should we perhaps have a NetEA rulebook with all the rules in the GW book but with the NetEA lists? Of course, it's not hard to have the stand alone NetEA lists (and I can just remove the GWEA myself and replace with NetEA) but an all in one would be nice for newbies and it would help cut down on the confusion, as there is a lot of confusion going by the questions I received during the lead up to Heavy Bolter 2009.

If this could occur, it might also be beneficial along the way, to tie special rules closer to the sections that they pertain. i.e In HB09, the Titan Void Shield rules came into question and after much looking we had to Ask Chroma TM as to where to find them. It seems if the Void shield rule were put in the War Engines section it would make more sense and be a hell of a lot easier to find. Just my two cents.

cheers
Author:  AxelFendersson [ Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:10 am ]
Post subject:  Official EA rules vs NetEa rules/lists
Quote: (Dobbsy @ Nov. 25 2009, 01:36)

Ok now the GW website is updated with the errata'd rulebook, what are we supposed to use?

Use whatever you like. The official rules are those in the amended rulebook, i.e. those in the original published rules after modification in the 2008 errata. The NetEA remains an unofficial fan project to produce an alternative set of army lists that have been tweaked for balance, and to produce additional lists to cover those armies that have not been given an official release.

Quote: (Dobbsy @ Nov. 25 2009, 01:36)

I can see for the actual game rules we can specifically use the GWEA stuff, however, it seems there are still small to moderate differences in the lists in the GW doc. The marine list for instance still has the Land Raider as 400 points a formation with a FF5+, whereas the NetEA list has them at 350 with FF4+; or the Marauder at 300 GWEA vs 250 NetEA.

I was under the impression that the NetEA stuff was supposed to have supplanted the GW stuff and we could instead refer to just one ruleset/lists at a glance with the update and not have to carry two lists around.

Should we perhaps have a NetEA rulebook with all the rules in the GW book but with the NetEA lists?

It would seem a bit redundant to produce a rulebook the first four chapters of which are identical to the official rulebook anyway. Just producing a book of the NetEA army lists would seem enough to me. And that's what's happening. It's taking a while, but that's often inevitable for a hobby project like this that people are only working on in their spare time.

Quote: (Dobbsy @ Nov. 25 2009, 01:36)

It seems if the Void shield rule were put in the War Engines section it would make more sense and be a hell of a lot easier to find.


Only if the Space Marines' And They Shall Know no Fear and the Orks' Mob Rule and Power of the Waaagh! special rules should also be folded into the main rules as well.

Void Shields is a special rule that apply only to one type of unit (Titans). Does it not make sense that this rule should be found alongside the other details for those titans, just as the special rules that apply only to Space Marines are found alongside the unit details for Space Marines?
Author:  GlynG [ Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:00 am ]
Post subject:  Official EA rules vs NetEa rules/lists
The new rulebook I believe integrates the errata into itself so that's one less thing to carry.

Proposals to change points and stats were prepared and given to Jervis but he vetoed them all, I believe on the basis it wouldn't be fair to those who might turn up a tournament with just the rulebook. Leaving sub-par rules and points for everyone using them seems the unfortunate result though and most tournament organisers tend to use one flavour or other of altered army lists sets anyway making this argument redundant. Not sure why revising things like this were rejected when Blood Bowl has periodically been revised to a new version but it's just the way things we're stuck with.

The army list site being developed should be one clear place to point people to for lists once it's up though. It wouldn't be the first time a ruleset included out of date army lists as part of itself long after they were updated and replaced either - e.g. 3rd edition W40k which by the end of it's time was laden down with very many pages of useless text to carry around.
Author:  nealhunt [ Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Official EA rules vs NetEa rules/lists
Also, there is a NetEA website in development.  It will address these kinds of questions and collect all the NetEA-specific docs in a single location.  We have the basic text ready and as everyone should probably be aware, Chroma has the draft army lists out for comment.

CS offered to host the NetEA page and put it up.  However, as so often happens with hobby efforts, real life gets in the way.  Plus, CS is running this board and the semi-official SG board.  He's just a busy guy.
Author:  Dobbsy [ Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Official EA rules vs NetEa rules/lists
Thanks for the info guys. That's good to know about a NetEA website. I'm looking forward to it.  :yay:

Quote: 

Only if the Space Marines' And They Shall Know no Fear and the Orks' Mob Rule and Power of the Waaagh! special rules should also be folded into the main rules as well.

Void Shields is a special rule that apply only to one type of unit (Titans). Does it not make sense that this rule should be found alongside the other details for those titans, just as the special rules that apply only to Space Marines are found alongside the unit details for Space Marines?

Well, Axel all I can go by is what occurred during the tourney. Obviously the specific rule wasn't immediately found, so I'm keen to have rules placed where they can be found quickly. Having all WE rules in one place seems like a fair option to me.
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