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The Vindicator
Evil and Chaos
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:29 pm 
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Instead of changing the Demolisher cannon, how about:

Change the costs to:

- 200pts for four
- 50pts as an upgrade



They'd still be inferior to Land Speeders (Same cost for five MW-firing skimmers), but at least you wouldn't be completely daft to use them...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:05 pm 
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Give vindicator formation chance to take vindicator upgrade too.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:28 pm 
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(Evil and Chaos @ Feb. 11 2008,14:29)
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Instead of changing the Demolisher cannon, how about:

Change the costs to:

- 200pts for four
- 50pts as an upgrade

They'd still be inferior to Land Speeders (Same cost for five MW-firing skimmers), but at least you wouldn't be completely daft to use them...

Do the same for Destructors too and change the Vindicator upgrade to "Support Tanks" or whatever that allows 0-2 vindicators or destructors (any combo).

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 Post subject: The Vindicator
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:44 pm 
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What's a Destructor?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:46 pm 
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Predator Destructor from Marine list
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 Post subject: The Vindicator
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:49 pm 
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Doh heh.

This thread isn't really for list structure changes (Although I could support them), just for the Vindi. :)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:56 pm 
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Blockbuster formation! (Line breaker squadron in Apocalypse) :D
Would let me use my Vindis!
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 Post subject: The Vindicator
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:28 pm 
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Move/ Armour/ Close Combat/ Fire Fight
25cm/ 4+/ 6+/ 4+
Weapon/ Range/ Firepower/ Notes
Vindicators Demolisher/ 30cm/ AP3+ AT4+/ Ignore cover
             and  / (15cm)/ Small Arms/ Ignore Cover
Notes: Walker


With all respects Hena, that is still a terrible tank, for which you will charge far too many points to use (Still more points than a Leman Russ Demolisher).


It needs to come down in cost so that it is less expensive than the Leman Russ Demolisher (50pts instead of 66pts), and that's the main thing it needs... not faffing about renaming the weapon.




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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:32 pm 
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With all respect, if I look into the new designed lists, not a single tank has such terrible stats like the Vindicator here. simply tweaking around with walker will change nothing.

Cheaper is good, will give you decent numbers, an argument to take it...maybe....




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 Post subject: The Vindicator
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:46 pm 
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Walker makes big difference.


It doesn't change the fact that the Vindicator is simply rubbish at killing things, and if it's to stay the same as other demolisher cannon armed vehicles, it should stay rubbish at killing things.

300 or 275pts is simply too much to charge for the worst tank in the game.


As I said before, at 50pts each / 200pts for four, they're still a slightly inferior choice as compared to Land Speeders, but not by so much as to rule them out completely.

They need a significant price cut, and that's all they need, not some wacky renaming of the weapon so that you can give them MWFF attacks.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:11 pm 
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Walker makes big difference.


Hena, I have a serious question: how does walker make a big difference?  Unless you have a LOT of dangerous terrain it seems like a nominal bump (unless you plan on taking it through a Wraithgate!). :D

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:16 pm 
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Sadly even if they cost 50 points I wouldn't take 'em if they moved any slower than 30cms. Mobility is the only strength with ATSKNF and vindi scraps that unless they learn to hit the pedal to the metal..

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:27 pm 
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Okay, 50pts with walker.

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