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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:13 am 
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Okay, so currently, Land Speeders are 200pts with Multimeltas, and it's +10pts to change them to Tornados.


How about making that the other way around?

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 Post subject: Crazy Idea
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:19 am 
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No, 200pts for 5 Tornados and +10pts to make them multimeltas.


Edit: And that title is so misleading, never mind posting to Marine section :D.


Well I think it's a crazy idea... :D




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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:30 am 
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(Hena @ Jul. 23 2007,11:23)
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I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't be that balanced. Tornadoes aren't that bad. You'd only make sure that Predator Destructor would be extinct for sure.

and they aren't already? I hate the +10 pts... it's about the only thing in the list that is 10pts

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 Post subject: Crazy Idea
PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:45 am 
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The other, more common option, is to simply make Tornados a free upgrade (Which I fully support).


Predators are overcosted anyways hena. If they look like a bum deal compared to Land Speeders, then they should be made cheaper, simple really.



Typhoons, unfortunately, are a bit like Attack Bikes right now, too much of a bad deal to be useful as anything except a blast-marker layer.

+20 instead of +25pts for Typhoons?









EDIT: Hena's right, this thread really should be in the Marine section. Sorry.




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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:27 pm 
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Would it be really worthwhile shaving off 5 points off from something?


Yep.

Because it means that a full formation of 5 Typhoons is 300 points, rather than 325.

It's the same with Tornados... noone is going to take 5 Tornados at 250pts, but at 200, they start to look useful.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:12 pm 
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As long as you leave 5 Speeders with MM at 200 I never mind what you do with the other types :). I already lost 75 pts with my (sure not overpowered Air Assault List, I am not willing to pay even more points for MM-Speeders

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:30 pm 
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This has been raised before (perhaps by you E&C?), and in fact I almost changed it in the handbook... but held off.

I agree that Tornadoes are not worth 10 points extra and free upgrade would be fine. I'd leave Typhoons at +25. 1 or 2 in a formation are really useful and costing that is important.  Someone wants to take 5, not so great a formation probably but at least it won't be any worse than now, and the formation still won't be stupidly overcosted. Keeping the 25 point increment is tidier and will fit better with most force organisations.

Predator destructors - 250?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:36 pm 
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This has been raised before (perhaps by you E&C?)


I've supported a 'free' upgrade for Tornados before.

Today, I'm looking at the other Land Speeders:

- Multi-Melta Speeders - Too cheap (And a crutch?) or just right?

- Typhoons - Too expensive?



I'd leave Typhoons at +25. 1 or 2 in a formation are really useful and costing that is important.

Note that taking 1 or 2 Typhoons won't really change the overall force composition (You save an amazing ten points with my proposal).

The difference only comes when you take a full formation of five, where you end up with a 25pt discount.


Similar to my attack bike proposal, this is intended not to alter the current list by any great ammount (The standard is to take 1 Typhoon to lay a BM), but to make full formations of 5 a tactical asset, rather than a points-sinking liability.

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Hena: I think you often undervalue the Rhinos in Tactical formations, which are a significant force multiplier.

I've no strong feelings on this issue though, I'm just spitballing here.

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