My mistake then on noticing the stats discrepancy, I can't see any reason why the bloody hand should have different helltalons+harbingers to every other chaos list. I'm not against minor renamings when necessay for fluff or the way an army works but I can't see that those apply here

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the reasons being that the current hell-talon is too much of an interceptor, and not enough of a bomber, and that the current harbinger is balls, and that a more bomber-focused force was what i wanted to do with the list.

with artillery, the harbinger and hell-talons need to work harder at trying to compete in that list, so i've been tweaking the stats to come up with something more suitable. i'd rather not have to wait till all the other chaos lists agreed with me before i changed things, so i made a new name and continued to work on my own stuff. personally, i think that both changes in stats and price should probably be applied across the board, and once i'd finished playtesting them, i would have presented my findings to you on the subject, but for now, i'm more interested in getting my list to work right.

it is actually my intention to replace the hell-talon and hellblades with Tormentor Bombers and Hell-Razor Interceptors respectively, sourced from Double Eagle, but i wanted to see how the lightning discussion turned out before i started poking around with more new units (plus i'm too busy to stress-test the new units till probably february)
however, if you'd rather i rename the units now, and apply new stats to them later, i'm happy to do that. it doesnt solve the harbinger part of the problem though. it was suggested to me that i call the harbinger 'urdeshi pattern harbinger' like i have the baneblades and stormswords, but the fluff-nut in me knows they have suggested that chaos dont make aircraft in normal forgeworlds, so i've shied away from that, but again, if it'd make you more comfortable for the names to be further changed.

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pg 55 - minervan warhound has the old 'stumble' ctritical. Warlord is called 'banelord' in critical text. Heresy!

there should be note in the Inquistion list section that Grey Knights are in the space marine section.

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pg 202, tyranid introduction, first paragrah. 'anomlasitic' should be 'animalistic'

Section 0.0:

I think link to sg forum will only cause confusion (Taccom link should at least be first).

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OK. I'm done with the Space Marines section. Some of these might not be typos, but intended. I have just registered them as inconsistencies.

I'm using the printed pagination, since I've printed the whole thing. It's two pages behind the PDF pagination (starts on 0.0).

SPACE MARINES - part 1

General Comment: Transport vehicles are often referred to in the Reference sheets as "Chapter Rhino/Razorback etc". My guess is that this is due to the difference in transport options (transporting non-codex units). However, since the transport capacity remains the same, I do not think this should warrant a configuration name, since they are essentially the same, and to be honest, it looks a bit weird in the reference sheets. In my opinion configuration names should be used to highlight important changes (weapons, speed etc).

p.3 Tactical Formation Upgrade: There should be a "," after Vindicator
p.3 Thunderbolts cost 150.
p.4 Predator Destructors are noted as FF4+. Other lists run them as FF3+.

WHITE SCARS
p.6 White Scars Bike formation costs 200.
p.7 White Scars Razorback has an unfortunate coloured line break effectively listing it as two units.

SALAMANDERS
(Thunderhawk and Landing Craft are more expensive than usual, but I think I recall a design discussion about increasing the cost to limit their use.)

p.9 Land Raider formation costs 350
p.9 Predator formation costs 275
p.9 Tacticals formation costs 300
p.9 Vindicator formation has the Hunter upgrade which is not listed in the Upgrades (as part of the Close Support upgrade)
p.9 Battle Barge costs +125 (may be intentional)
p.9 Dreadnought upgrade refers to the dreadnought as two different units. Ref sheet refers them as one with two different configurations. If the latter is true, the former is not needed.
p.9 Sniper Upgrade affects all Scouts (may be intentional)
p.9 There seems to be double restrictions in the Restricted Formations (probably intended, but makes one wonder whether the 1/3 restriction really is necessary)
p.10 Generally, I think Salamander "whatever" should be listed directly under the Astartes "whatever", for ease of reference.

SCIONS OF IRON
p.12 Strike Cruiser costs 150 points (may be intentional)
p.12 Armour upgrade lists Predator Destructors and Annihilators at different prices.
p.12 Land Speeder upgrade costs are inconsistent with the Astartes changes.

BLACK TEMPLARS
p.15 The Battle Barge upgrade is not needed.
p.15 Thunderhawk Transport Cost does not need the "+"
p.15 0-1 Emperor's Champion: Since one formation must take this upgrade, it should perhaps be listed as 1, and emphasized in a sentence following SR and Initiative.

To be continued (lunch is over)

/Fredmans

SPACE MARINES - part 2

BLOOD ANGELS
p.18 0-1 Death Company. Since it is mandatory, and stated in the introduction, it should read "1".
p.18 There is a Stormraven formation without cost
p.18 Heavy Support upgrade costs should read "... points each"
p.18 Heavy Support upgrade uses "Blood Angel Predator Annihilator", whereas the reference sheet uses "Blood Angel Predator".
p.18 Heavy Support upgrade limits Land Raiders as per normal transport options, unlike other Space Marine lists (may be intended)
p.18 Stormraven upgrade ends in an additional "to transport the formation".

RAVEN GUARD
p.21 Land Speeder Storm upgrade does not have the usual Transport "limit" wording (as for Razorbacks).
p.22 Land Speeder has an empty AND 30cm attack.
p.22 Predator Destructor has FF4+

SPACE WOLVES
Inconsistent naming (may be due to GW): Blood Claws, Skyclaws, Swiftclaws.
p.24 Is 0-1 Wolf Lord part of the Hero upgrade? I guess it is, but there is a coloured line break suggesting it to be a different upgrade.
p.24 Pack mentality. The last sentence should be "Note: Either ..." or Note that either..."
p.25 Space Wolves Land Raider Crusader's Hurricane Bolter differs from the Black Templar. One has EA(+2), the other do not.
p.25 The Venerable Dreadnought lacks the usual Dreadnought configuration note.

APOCRYPHA OF SKAROS
p.27 Typo in Predator formation: Core Units - 4 PredatorS Destructor
p.27 Reaver Titan costs 650
p.28 Predator Destrucor is listed as FF4+

DARK ANGELS
p.30 Deathwing upgrades uses "and" instead of "," before the final option.
p.30 Ravenwing Tactics. I see no reason for the costs since this is free of charge for the other chapters, but I have probably missed something. The Reference Sheet lists the unit sans Ravenwing, so it could be a typo or another inconsistency.
p.30 The Master upgrade is essentially the same as the usual Commander, and could be written in the exactly same way.
p.30 Deathwing Support upgrade should add "s" to Terminator on both occasions
p.30 Teleport Homers (in the description): "special ability is italized.
p.31 Predator Destructor is listed as FF4+.

GREY KNIGHTS
p.33 Terminators and Thunderhawks are more expensive than usual, and I see no stats change that could explain it (may be intentional)
p.33 Interceptor Squad lacks the ability to add the units that the Cost is referring to
p.33 Purgation Squad lacks the ability to add the units that the Cost is referring to
p.33 Commander upgrade has a "(0-1)" note attached to the Brotherhood Champion. If this is an army restriction, it should perhaps be clarified as in the usual "Commander" text.
p.33 Land Raiders upgrade should read "Add [up] to..."
p.33 Eternal Warriors upgrade lacks cost for Nemesis Dreadknights
p.34 Inconsistent names. Army lists says Grey KnightsInterceptor, reference sheet adds Squad.

IMPERIAL FISTS
p.36 Land Raider and Terminator formations do not need the Supreme Commander upgrade as it is included in the Commander upgrade.
p.37 Land Raider Crusader's Hurricane Bolter differs from the Black Templar one. One has EA(+2), the other do not.
p.37 Predator Destructor is listed as FF4+.

SIEGE VANGUARD
p.40. Land Raider Crusader is missing in the reference sheets.
p.40 Siege Terminators lack their special abilities.

/Fredmans

Lost and Damned army list:

6 Traitor Sentinels, should be 4.

Keep at it everyone. Great job so far

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page 182
The Ravager LV's Disintegrator weapon is missing it's firepower stats (which should read AP4+/AT6+)

the horrorfex on the same vehicle is missing AP6+ in it's firepower stat also.

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