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PostPosted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:14 pm 
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Great work Dave.
Just speed read them and noticed that Warp Spiders have crept back into the transport section of Wave Serpents and Falcons

Also, are E:A Phoenix bombers still 400; I thought they had been dropped to 350 (this has happened in E_UK without any issues)


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:28 pm 
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Warp Spiders can be transported as per the datasheets, but the army list doesn't allow transport slots to be bought for them. It was done this way to allow them to be transported in scenario games, but not the tourney list.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 2:38 pm 
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As the armylist entry is worded you can buy WaveSerpents/Falcons as long as there is at least one non WarpSpider/ShiningSpear/SwopingHawk unit in the formation. But as the datasheet allows to transport WarpSpiders nothing prevents you to embark WarpSpiders in WaveSerpents during the game.
Ok the units the WaveSerpents where actually bought for have to walk on foot but that isn't the point :)

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:00 pm 
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This may be nit-picky, but I don't think some of the items you have in the TOC are TOC material - they should be in an index. For instance:
Weapon Fire Arcs
Needing 7+ to hit
Rounding
Rerolls

To add to that, some of the stuff in the body ("Shooting Conventions", p12; "Rules Questions", p27) don't even appear in the TOC.

My argument is that a person searching for a clarification on "Fire Arcs" is going to have to scan the whole TOC to find it (granted, it is in "Shooting", but I hope you see my point.)

If anyone else thinks this is a worthwhile endeavor, I'll be more than willing to go through and make an appendix, to save you some time Dave.

Also: TOC: Rerolls p37. - There is actually nothing on p37 regarding rerolls that I could find.
I also think that forces should be grouped according to type, rather than date. (All SMs, all IG, etc.)

BTW, great work on this doc, Dave. I think it is appreciated by everyone (and I appreciate the PDF bookmarks!)

EDIT: Changed "appendix" to "index" since that is what I was thinking of. ;)

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The ToC page numbering/omission issues should be taken care of for the 2012 final draft.

Anything labeled as a special rule I put in the ToC, examples of play and design concepts did not however. GW did another weird thing by numbering some special rules (X.X.X) and not numbering others. I figured any special rule is worth indexing though, hence why they're in the ToC even if they're not numbered.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:26 pm 
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Dave wrote:
The ToC page numbering/omission issues should be taken care of for the 2012 final draft.

Anything labeled as a special rule I put in the ToC, examples of play and design concepts did not however. GW did another weird thing by numbering some special rules (X.X.X) and not numbering others. I figured any special rule is worth indexing though, hence why they're in the ToC even if they're not numbered.

Nope, I agree with you. My concern is that when I'm playing and I have a rules question, rather than shout "Dave! Can you come here for a second?" and interrupt your game, I can zip to the index and quickly find what page a special rule or clarification is on. I find TOCs to be a bit of a pain to scan through when you're trying to find something quickly.

At any rate, I think I'm going to do one up for myself. If I do, I'll send it to you and if you want to include it, feel free.

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Amazing work! I printed the guards' references and found the following:

p.105: The Commissar special rule (6.4.1) and the FAQ contradict each other. The rule prohibits commissars in imperial allies formations, whereas the FAQ allows it.

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p.105: The Commissar special rule (6.4.1) and the FAQ contradict each other. The rule prohibits commissars in imperial allies formations, whereas the FAQ allows it.


Neal ^^^

On the appendix, let me see what OO offers for doing it automatically. I'll let you know.

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Dave wrote:
On the appendix, let me see what OO offers for doing it automatically. I'll let you know.

Ok. I was looking at how to do it in Word, and it's kind of a pain - hopefully it is easier in OO.

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OK, a couple outstanding issues. I've reduced the assault modifiers and action test tables to a single column. They are now no longer below the foot notes nor so wide that it affect readability. That ought to keep SK and Apoc happy.

On the appendix, doing an alphabetical index is about as easy as doing the ToC (pretty much the same exact process). Eric, can you start another thread and get people to post what terms they would like in the appendix? I'll then start going through and adding the entries.

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I noticed a difference between this LATD list and the one in the compendium - in this one you're allowed two support formations per coven, in the other only one. Which is correct?


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The tourney pack is wrong. It's one support for coven.

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Any errors/typos found in the past week have been fixed. Keep them coming.

Note: the deadline for the finalized 2012 pack is June 24th. Get everything in to me by then, otherwise I can't guarantee it'll be addressed this year. The finalized pack (along with a compendium update) should be out between 6/29 and 7/1.

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Dave wrote:
The finalized pack (along with a compendium update) should be out between 6/29 and 7/1.

Dear Dave,
Please have this done by NEAT, or I will bombard you with questions all day long.
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Aiming for it. Hopefully with enough time to print it out and get it bound too.

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