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NetEA Army List Compendium 2012

 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:19 am 
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Apocolocyntosis wrote:
:o Table font: 6.5pt Garamond set at -30 tracking … 6.5pt Garamond at -30 tracking, -30 tracking … ?!
*(just noticed some of it is 5.5pt with -40, please, please explain it or change it)

Well as I don't have a degree in your field and as I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, I'll just say <shrug> :D

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:-\ The page header location moves on the landscape/portrait pages, this will make the header fairly useless when flicking through as it is inconsistent.
:-\ Landscape tables are excessively gappy – some columns seem wider than needed and there is a lot of space at the end of notes, could these not have gone portrait? This would save constantly rotating the hand printed document.
:'( The latin letter x is not a multiplication symbol ×. Garamond has a specific multiplication glyph in the normal location.

:'( Dashes – i dunno if you want these pointed out document wide, but currently they are very inconsistent, for example:
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AC Aircraft
AV - Armoured Vehicle
BP - Barrage Points
CC - Close Combat
CH Character MW
DC - Damage Capacity

2 of these are en dashes, the rest are hyphens. Hyphens are not dashes, these should all be en dashes.

Content page – move your page numbers in closer to the entry they relate to, this will speed up navigation and reduce scanning errors.

We'd be happy for you to sort all this out for us if you can, Apoc. Would you like to take on the problems you raise and fix the doc for us?

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Why US letter size, thought Australia used A4? :D

Completely odd as I set every page for A4


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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:55 am 
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Outstanding. Dobbsy et all: Thank you for all your hard work bringing this together. :)


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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:05 am 
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Dobbsy wrote:
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, I'll just say <shrug> :D

type time! 8)
I think word/pub call it something different, like condensed character spacing in points. You might not know what it is, but you've still done it ;D what it means is this:
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Letters are closer, which at the size above is a little ugly (the letters are clashing together) but legible. At a tiny point size witha font not designed for such abuse you damage legibility of already difficult to read text.

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Would you like to take on the problems you raise and fix the doc for us?

Broadly speaking, yes, I'd love to. However, im afraid that this might mean using MS Publisher? :o ;D Also a matter of finding the time, certainly not this week ;)


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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:20 am 
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I assume it's only the table of contents this is occuring as everything else was set as 7 and 6 pt for all army lists. Unfortunately to fit the entire table of contents on one page I had to take a liberty with font size other wise we'd end up with the contents running over to a second page which isn't ideal really. It would have been fine if the doc were set to print on two opposing pages (like a book) but it isn't - it's designed to print one sequential page at a time.

As to endash etc problem, most of that problem is inconsequential to most people who don't understand it (like me) and I would guess some of the problem occured when copying and pasting from different fonts, from different documents, using different formatting. You can't imagine the time and effort it took to change everything over to one font and size from several different documents. It would probably have taken 3-4 days less elapsed time on this if this wasn't necessary. Some things just had to be retyped from scratch even.

Regardless, I'm glad it's out finally. :)


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:24 am 
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So are we. It's been a long time coming.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:58 am 
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Per IP guidelines from GW, anything fan made needs to be public domain. We can't copyright something that is derivative IP anyway.


Strictly speaking, anything published in any form has implied copyright. The CC licenses exists to explicitly waive some or all of those rights.

The standard disclaimer of "no trademark infringement intended" should still be added, of course.

Both tedious bits of legalese in a tiny little font so they don't distract from the awesomeness that is the full compendium!


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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:21 am 
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Fantastic, great work.


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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:48 am 
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How about using more of the margins? There are huge blank spaces on the pages which could be used to have bigger fonts!


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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
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Dobbsy wrote:
I assume it's only the table of contents this is occuring as everything else was set as 7 and 6 pt for all army lists.


If it was only the table of contents i would not have noticed and would not consider it a problem. This is document wide and significant. Example taken directly from your pdf p6:
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Your cell entry in blue (rendered directly from your pdf), vs regular, red overlay shows the extent of the negative tracking.

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everything else was set as 7 and 6 pt for all army lists

No, or at least it is not appearing as such in the pdf we have been given. Page 6 again:
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given the strange number (5.64pt) is this perhaps 6 point type but then shrunk to fit page when printed to pdf format? However, this would not explain the negative 43 tracking (unless your post script pdf printer is doing something very clever/retarded).

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As to endash etc problem, most of that problem is inconsequential to most people who don't understand it

Yep, i understand this, don't worry :) i mind more when it is inconsistant (mixed dashes and hyphens), than that it is wrong (all hyphens).

And again, thanks so much for your work, greatly appreciated. :)


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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:02 am 
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A portrait only layout would more or less require two page spreads instead of the one page landscapes, possibly bringing the document to 250-275 pages. It's simply not possible to format the statlines (through organization or font size) in a legible manner. It also follows suite with GW publications and Raiders, but not Siege. Seige appears to have it's reference sheets in 6pt font or less, which is too small for easy reading.

Zombo - that's incorrect. See p46 of the current online rulebook (section 5), or p103 of the original GW hardcopy. With an apparently soon to be updated FAQ, though, it's a moot point.

I think that is now being addressed in the FAQs to encompass all slow-firing weapons, so the warhound would lose the note

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you've also added 25 points to both the harbinger bomber and hell-talons, which should be 400 and 225 respectively


No they arecorrect as they are -425+250 to match their cost across all the other lists

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 Post subject: Re: DRAFT NetEA Army Compendium 2012 DRAFT
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I'm away for two weeks, come home for christmas and what a nice christmas gift this is. Thank you, dobbsy and all the volunteers for making this happen.

Will proof read for typos,

Merry christmas,
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No they arecorrect as they are -425+250 to match their cost across all the other lists


not really, as for one thing, neither unit is present in other lists. the similar units are found elsewhere, but these are specifically variants, and have been renamed to reflect that. the harbinger bomber is not the same as the harbinger. the hell-talon fighter bomber is not the same as the hell-talon.

the harbinger variant has different armour stats, the hell talon variant has reduced range, both have been tested quite a bit at their current stats, and prices.

it seems detrimental to list development to enforce the price of a similar but different unit. honestly, enforcing uniform price within a faction is a bad idea to begin with. some units are worth more to some lists than others, and their costs should be flexible in order to accommodate that.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:11 pm 
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firstly, loving that this is out :D

briefly going through the Squats the following stuck out to me...

* Squats no longer ignore the first blast-marker, intentionally removed?

* Iron Hawk no longer spots for Colossus?

* Thurgrimm's Stronghold List - Thunderfire Battery: says u get 2-3 Thunderfire units for 250 points...indicates to me that you would pay the same points for 2 or 3 units or is it 250 points per unit?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:21 pm 
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Impressive! A big thank you! :)
But: Have all armies of the same "race" to be the sae colour? Blue background for Salamanders, BloodAngels, etc look strange :D
And no Armageddon Steel Legion Planetary Defence Force armylist? :(
Will look for typos after the holidays.

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