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Lightning Fighter Stats
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 Post subject: Re: Lightning Fighter Stats
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:59 pm 
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I didn't notice you'd gone up to 2x Underwing Rockets. Definitely a solid 225pts.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:01 pm 
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So you feel the extra Underwing rockets only increased the value by 25 points?
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 Post subject: Re: Lightning Fighter Stats
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:08 pm 
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It's just my opinion.

175pts for the Attack Lightning (150pts if you remove the AP/AT attack from the long Autocannon).
225pts for the Strike Lightning.

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 Post subject: Re: Lightning Fighter Stats
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:57 pm 
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Honestly the Strike Fighters should be 250 points for two. That is a 25-point-per increase over the Elysian price which IMO is warranted with the AT4+ shot and the increased interception abilities.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:07 pm 
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Look, I'm happy with whatever at this point, but are we really discussing charging 50pt/plane over Vanaheim for an extra pip each of AT and AA at 45cm?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:40 pm 
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I don't follow you, SG. Can you clarify please?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:53 pm 
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zombocom wrote:
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Lightning Attack Fighter

Fighter   6+   -   -
Long Barreled Autocannon  45cm  AP5+/AT6+/AA6+  FFA
Twin Lascannons           30cm  AT4+/AA4+       FFA


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Lightning Strike Fighter

Fighter   6+   -   -
Twin Lascannons           30cm  AT4+/AA4+  FFA
2x Underwing Rockets      30cm  AT4+       FFA


This I think is a good choice. Regardless of the required price will be.

Now let's go Officially change all Maurader Bombers to the WE version and then get cracking on over hauling the T-Bolt ::) :P

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 Post subject: Re: Lightning Fighter Stats
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:57 pm 
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I think the last actual issue is whether we want to drop the ground attack capabiity on the LB Autocannon, in order to make it equal in price to the Thunderbolt.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:08 pm 
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Vanaheim has the Lightning Strike at 150/pair. The ONLY difference is that the Vanaheim version has the Lascannon at AT5+/AA5+.

I'm well aware that EUK does things differently, but I'd hate to be the one who brought Elysians to the Winter Warmer, and found out that my flight costs an extra 100 pts for a few pips of AT and AA total.

Edit - I'd certainly pay 200/pair, but 250/pair is a tad steep.

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 Post subject: Re: Lightning Fighter Stats
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:30 pm 
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That's a pricing issue, which is list dependent. Like you, SG, I disagree that the strikes are worth 250, but that's easy enough to balance within the context of a specific list. It's not a general issue which affects multiple lists, like the statline itself.
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 Post subject: Re: Lightning Fighter Stats
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:32 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:33 pm 
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Signal wrote:
That's a pricing issue, which is list dependent. Like you, SG, I disagree that the strikes are worth 250, but that's easy enough to balance within the context of a specific list. It's not a general issue which affects multiple lists, like the statline itself.

That's highly debatable. But for now lets just get some stats agreed on. I think were their tho? RollCall Please?

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 Post subject: Re: Lightning Fighter Stats
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:34 pm 
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I'm okay with both, whether the Autocannon has a ground attack component or not. Prefer with though.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:41 pm 
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12 pages on a pip here or there. Congrats, guys

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