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QUIT RANTING.

I didn't start this thread to start a grumble session. If that continues I'll shut this thread.


Instead of ranting, how about you offer to volunteer your time and effort towards helping the ERC get the Armies Book published.
I'm sure if the ERC need some help to get this thing done, they'll respond.

Me? I can probably design a website if someone who's actually competent doesn't step up.

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Happy to, i would not have posted otherwise. What is the current state of the lists? are they ready to be proofread or do changes need to be done first? what is the final document structure? Who do you even talk to in the fist place to volunteer?

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I'm guessing this is a prominent enough thread that someone on the ERC will pop in here soon and we'll see what's what. :-)

It is Sunday though, so maybe we won't hear from anyone today.

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Ok cool, well im happy to help, im just not very 'up' with the politics or history of it all.

Sorry if this was the wrong place to bring it up, it'd just been building up for a while

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I have offered no less than 5 times in the past to get lists written up to get things moving. Each time I have met with the following:

1. Complete silence
2. Been advised that it is getting done by someone else
3. Advised that they would get back to me

I only rant out of frustration. When you think you are doing everything you can to help and you keep getting the same deal and then see no movement, it is hard not to be frustrated or disillusioned with the current state of affairs.

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Okay, well, Neal and Chroma at least have had some crazy stuff to deal with these last six months, one way or another.

So I ain't complaining, but I do think that now that things seem to be settling it's a good time for everyone to get their shoulders back to the wheel.

Like Zombocom says, without the Armies Book the NetEA project has no purpose.

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To iterate what E&C touched on, the NetERC has been busy with real life. It appears that Neal is back in the swing of things and I suppose Chroma and Hena's scheduled have loosened up a bit as well. With that said, things should start moving along.

I can't blame them for being behind. How far behind schedule is Raiders 2.0? A year? And it is just finally getting printed.

Patience, everyone.

I have offered this in the past and the offer is still there.

All it takes is for Chroma to hand some stuff over and it will get done.

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Would it not be best for speed that a site was created where each list could then be inserted by its creator subject to some error checking? So a skeleton which someone who can make websites (anyone free?) then a common format page where people upload the stuff with some sort of error check by possibly the army champ and a stamp saying at what level of balance it is at and away we go? The the work is then as difuse as possible and something will be up there even if it is not complete.

We already have a "diffuse" wiki page.

But really, unless we have an annually or bi-annually updated Armies Book, in a single downloadable document, we're wasting our time.

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Why? I frankly don't want all the armies. (I also like small codexes of armies.)

Wouldn't something like a php (trying to display web knowledge) where you tick each army you want included and it is compiled into a pdf (yes, with a fair amount of white space no doubt but so what) ready for printing or download, with the version date of the army and a proper log at the end of changes since version x.

The default is 'all' for someone who wants everything to flick through and would consist of lists up to a certain level of quality and stability. They could always add more experimental lists but that is opt in. Then each army has before its list what level of readyness it is at and the last time it was updated. If you want a bi-annual thing you simply have updates held until whatever date when they go live.

So its not as good looking, but it diffuses responsibility out to people who are testing or like a list and you are guarentied of having a more complete and up to date product. Those lists that are forgotten languish, possibly to a point where they are no longer included in the automatic all.

I managed a civil service intrant for a year and a bit and the biggest change was pushing responsibility out to indivudal staff for their departments sites. Those that didn't care got frankly crap and simply gradually dissapeared until their Head of department realised his profile was sinking when there was a frenzy of updates, those that did topped the search stats and tended to build on that. All I did was review a random sample for quality control purposes. Net result was a few thousand pages went to several hundred thousand and people got a lot more use to looking for electronic information (now it is apparently mostly replaced by the new EDRM system they were putting in place as I was leaving, with the intranet forming the first wave of metadata tagged documents for it). Yes it would have been better if I had done it all myself but instead a decent framework and indivdual effort ensred a lot more went out which was overall more benfifical to peoples work.

Here the draft copies are lovely, but if they don't go anywhere the more ad hoc approach is better ultimately, even if only as a stop gap.

A common template for army list, boxes for special rules, unit datafaxes to be populated. Not that good looking but it would all be there and once the tech side of things is complete very easy to keep up to date.

You're not a newbie, and it's more useful to a newbie to have a single link he can click on to download everything, rather than a page with 50 checkboxes on it.

Plus, there's a decent chance that the Armies Book might get a print run.

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The power of php comes with a correctly designed and populated database for what you envisage Chris. Neither of these task is simple or quick.

I know you don't want rants E&C, and this will probably sound pretty harsh, but once you no longer have time for a voluntary position its best to either add more people or step aside until you do have time.

A fair point, and my opinion that a single downloadable document is best is just that, my own opinion.

I just look to the failure of the wiki army list repository system (It's full of out of date and broken links) as evidence that a cloud computing solution isn't going to work.

The most "user friendly" system I can think of for a newbie is a single link that they click on, and then they recieve a .pdf with all the army lists in it.

And yeah, that needs someone to do the work.

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