Probably a good idea, lest we end up with warlocks hopping on one leg.

The obvious is 400mm (i.e. a standard 20mm square base) per DC, though I'm nut sure that'd be too big, it's certainly bigger than that gorgon replacement and a lot of the older models, though my Forgeworld Shadowswords look like they take up about 3 times the footprint as the Leman Russ' sitting next to them.

As I've already pointed out to carrington via PM, it is not an in-game photo. Matt has never deployed like this... ever.

I think you'll find that Matt took the photo and then used it to cut and paste various situations to help clarify this discussion. His use of the term in-game is unfortunate in this instance.

Anyone who deploys like that would deserve to be clipped and beaten. A good player may make that mistake once but not twice. Matt is a very good player.

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We had a similar question come up last week in London. The IG (Cadian?) player had literally surrounded his WE with infantry that were then assaulted by airborne Orks and most of the infantry were in BtB with two Ork units. Under these circumstances 'Friendly barging' would permit the 2x WE through into BtB, while the current definitions would not.

The results would have been dramatically different depending upon which definition was used, either killing 5x infantry outright (with 2 saved hits on the WE) as opposed to 6x hits allocated to the WEs and only 1x infantry killed.

However, the latter result would also have been achieved by leaving most of the infantry inside the WE for protection

As the 'defender' has it in his power to achieve the desired effect of using his WE as an ablative shield through carefull positioning of his troops, I still think 'Friendly barging' is unnessary - so should be banned.

No need to ban it, it's already forbidden by the rules.

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Note 'Banned' as in an FAQ - I agree that notionally it is not allowed, but apparently that needs explanation

With due respect, it seems to me this is a limited consensus. It may be the right decision in the end, but the reality is more complicated.

1) The rules-as-written do not mention friendly barging at all.
2) This presents particular problems when enemies are barged, friendlies are not.
3) Friendly barging has clear balance implications -- especially when certain players are allowed to do it.
4) Prohibited friendly barging also has balance implications (and a larger number of basing implications -- vis. the skating warlocks).

Now I know you folks have a high post-count, a history of digging into the rules, and some fabulous armies. But the ERC, such as it is, seems fairly non-committal about how to handle the basic ruling and the implications. This caution is, I think, fully justified.

Like a lot of the engagement rules, this one's vague and open to interpretation as there's no specific rule. I don't actually have a specific preference, other than maintaining the things I like about epic, amongst which is the loose basing requirements, which I think this has the potential to adversely effect.

I was mainly concerned because a couple peoples concern with a specific formation played by a single person in one tournament was leading them to clarify/possibly change a general rule without seeming to consider any other unit or formation effected by said.

Coming back to your specific issue, if you think that getting 6 4+ RA saves for the kreig infantry company is too good, then that's an issue with the formation itself.

Hi everyone, I'm back from a trip to the Great Barrier Reef, which I will admit is a place where formation movement problems start to see even smaller than 6mm scale

To contribute to the conversation, the disconnect that appears to be happening between some people in this thread is about the difference between 'Friendly Barging' (usually meaning pushing your own men forward with a WE) and what happens when you barge enemies who are in contact with friends.

The two are quite different, and the fact this thread has involved some of the better informed TacComm players and still reached its 9th page shows it's not as simple as might be preferred. It's just not that simple or we'd probably be finished here already.

To boil it down to the new core question that actually would be worth addressing in an FAQ:
When a WE barges enemy units that are already in close combat with friendly infantry, do the friendly infantry move along with the enemy units, stay where they were, or can neither the enemy nor the friendly infantry be moved by a WE's barge?

Does that sum up the outstanding debate?

I think it does.

my vote is that neither gets to move
or at the very least, no movement on the friendlies, and no movement that takes the enemies out of contact with the friendlies.

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I would be of the same opinion.