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Author:  dafrca [ Mon Jul 11, 2005 5:20 am ]
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I found this interesting, not good or bad, just interesting.  ???

As I am doing my recount of the Imperial Stuff, I realized I tended to go for the Iron Fist tactic with my Guard. Lots of Tanks, Super Heavies, Mech Infantry, and such. Small numbers of the RR, snipers, and other lighter style formations.

But when it came to my 15mm stuff, it was like a 180 degree flip. Mostly light Infantry, droppable troops and equipment, and overall lighter style formations. Very little in the way of ?Heavy? armor (well not counting my OGRE).

It was like as I moved worked on the two collections, I was following two very different tactical ways of thought.

So it made me wonder when you all build an army, do you just collect or do you formulate a basic tactic and buy to that?

dafrca
Author:  Legion 4 [ Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:01 am ]
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I collect and organize into light, heavy, etc. type units ...
Author:  Tas [ Mon Jul 11, 2005 8:28 am ]
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I start with basic core elements on how I think I will employ it on the table

Once that has "seen the elephant" and I devsie refinements to my strategy (or even devise a whole new one) I collect to that purpose.  As my familiarity grows and I see employment of more diverse units, I tend to expand there - organising into heavy and light units like L4

Of course, that is my aim - trades, shop sales and Ebay windfalls not withstanding! :D
Author:  Dwarf Supreme [ Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:42 pm ]
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Since epic is the only scale for which I buy minis, my answer is probably skewed.

When I started buying for AT/SM1, I bought some core things, like the Eldar warhost and Ork horde boxed sets. After that I bought what was available at my hobby store. I knew I wanted to collect at least one of just about everything. So, the oreder of purchases didn't matter. After having played many games, I realized I needed to adjust some of my tactics, leading to my buying more of a particular mini, e.g. my army IG needs more hydras.

So, I guess for me it's collecting first, formulate tactics second.
Author:  MaksimSmelchak [ Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:06 pm ]
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WARGAMING: Collecting Armies?

Hi Dafrca,

Dafrca: I found this interesting, not good or bad, just interesting.

As I am doing my recount of the Imperial Stuff, I realized I tended to go for the Iron Fist tactic with my Guard. Lots of Tanks, Super Heavies, Mech Infantry, and such. Small numbers of the RR, snipers, and other lighter style formations.

But when it came to my 15mm stuff, it was like a 180 degree flip. Mostly light Infantry, droppable troops and equipment, and overall lighter style formations. Very little in the way of ?Heavy? armor (well not counting my OGRE).

It was like as I moved worked on the two collections, I was following two very different tactical ways of thought.

*** So it made me wonder when you all build an army, do you just collect or do you formulate a basic tactic and buy to that?***


Hi Dafrca,

I've found now that I prefer themed armies, but I general modify my theme a little to encompass existing models.

My Epic-Armageddon Jopalli IG force, for instance, is designed to be a mechanized force and has very little heavy armor. The Jopallis were also designed to use mostly proxy models and a lot of anti-armor troops with support weapons. Even their Thud Guns, Tarantulas and Mole Mortars have used proxy models so far.

Adding a theme to an army really helps to make it happen. It gives directions and keeps some kind of plan or inspiration around.

After playing the army for awhile, I start adding units to make the force more effective rules-wise.

My Star Wars Hoth force, for instance, is a very theme-oriented army, but as I play with them, I can see myself adding in other vehicles, troop types and characters that never appeared in the movies. The original Dirtside II conversion I found for the Battle of Hoth had a number of non-canon vehicles. I'd definitely like to include some non-orthodox equipment and troops in the future, but right now, I'm concentrating on getting the movie canon forces ready.

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Author:  CyberShadow [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:10 pm ]
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I agree with this completely, except that I tend to do it the other way around. I get hooked by a random inspiration, and then see which game it fits into best. For some, bizarre reason, I have been looking at the Tau in 40K (I really like the Fire Warriors minis, and the idea of the armies strengths and weaknesses appeals to me). I dont want a large force, and so I am looking at the 40K Combat Patrol rules (shudder!), or adapting my 'home grown' Advanced Space Crusade rules to include them.

This has lead me to the thought of a Tau insertion force, with loads of tanks, and Epic is perfect for this. I would not try to force a tank based force into a 40K game (personally, I think that most tanks should be banned from that scale anyway).
Author:  Tas [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:15 pm ]
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I would not try to force a tank based force into a 40K game (personally, I think that most tanks should be banned from that scale anyway).


A voice of Sanity!
Knew I like you for a reason mate! :D
Author:  primarch [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:31 pm ]
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Hi!

Its been quite a while since I bought into another scale. I was somewhat tempted by 10mm scale for warmaster, but balked at the cost.

I dont really like skirmish games, so most 28mm games go unnoticed or dont spark my interest.

Primarch
Author:  Tas [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 2:51 pm ]
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I was somewhat tempted by 10mm scale for warmaster, but balked at the cost.


I just fell off my chair laughing at that one P :laugh:
Author:  Legion 4 [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:03 pm ]
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Yes ... I try to stay with G/W  Epic models and meld collecting and organizing TO&Es.  And still can (or try) to kick butt on the board ! :laugh:  (I'm a little more open about terrain 6, 10, 15 and even 25mm depending on the piece !) :D
Author:  Dwarf Supreme [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:28 pm ]
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Quote (primarch @ 12 2005 July,14:31)
I was somewhat tempted by 10mm scale for warmaster, but balked at the cost.

I, too, have been tempted by Warmaster. If I ever do get into it, I would only build a Dwarf army.
Author:  MaksimSmelchak [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:43 pm ]
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Quote (CyberShadow @ 12 2005 July,13:10)
...so I am looking at the 40K Combat Patrol rules (shudder!), or adapting my 'home grown' Advanced Space Crusade rules to include them.

This has lead me to the thought of a Tau insertion force, with loads of tanks, and Epic is perfect for this. I would not try to force a tank based force into a 40K game (personally, I think that most tanks should be banned from that scale anyway).

Hi CS,

I can't beleive you're thinking about 28mm 40k!

With the latest GW price hike, it's too expensive. E-A is bad enough.

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Author:  Legion 4 [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:47 pm ]
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Amen !  Not mention the 40k rules are lame and many of the players are "kids into bright shiny things" ! :;): Just my opinion ... I could be wrong !  :laugh:
Author:  dafrca [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:01 pm ]
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Quote (Legion 4 @ 12 2005 July,07:47)
Not mention the 40k rules are lame and many of the players are "kids into bright shiny things" ! :;):

What is wrong with "bright shiny things"?  ???

[dafrca asks as he looks at his shelf of bright shiny things.]  :;):

:laugh:

dafrca
Author:  CyberShadow [ Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:42 pm ]
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Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 12 2005 July,15:43)
Hi CS,

I can't beleive you're thinking about 28mm 40k!

With the latest GW price hike, it's too expensive. E-A is bad enough.

How true. However, I already own the 40K rule book, and a fair few minis. I really like the Tau minis, and it makes a bit of a change. My aim is to produce a number of Combat Patrol forces (400 points only) that I can then just use as pick up and play. For the Tau, my 400 points are spent in a single box of Fire Warriors and three XV Battlesuits.

That being said, it will always take a back seat to Epic and Gothic, and that puts it as a seriously future prospect!
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