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Author: | vanvlak [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:54 pm ] |
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Hi all, I don't much like ranting, although I love grumbling - too lazy to put my complaints on keyboard. But for once, I'll make an exception. Exception is, in fact, what I've taken to an article in the December White Dwarf (UK issue). So here goes. There's this article then, on Golden Demon. And on what you should or should not enter. Now I'm waaaay too far from GD standard, but the comments on what to avoid in entries have irked me: no Eldar Dreads with top hat and tails; nothing from Araby, Nippon, or Cathay; no non-green goblins; no marines with flowery emblems. One by one, now: Eldar Dreadnought with top hat and tails. Ok, unless it's some trick by a farseer with a comic streak, it's not quite background - but good for a laugh. So - a good laugh is not a good entry. Nippon Cathay, Araby - the article claims that the GW crew havn't developed these 'nations' yet, so no-one should try to interpret them as they believe they should be. No-one knows what they look like. Great - so why did GW invent the name Nippon? Or Araby? Or Cathay? Are they registered trade mark? But: "A Cathayan model is not a Cathayan model, it's just a Chinese model, and China is not part of the Warhammer world". Yep, that's from the article. So GW created Cathay - eat your heart out, Emperor Qin. Oh, and remember, no-one knows what anyone from Araby looks like - except GW Italy, which is selling the Warmaster Araby army, I guess. The left hand doesn't know etc. Green goblins: anyone remember the fire goblins, and the zombie goblins from a couple of years back. From White Dwarf, mind you. But I guess painting goblins grey, or whatever colour, is now tantamount to sacrilege. Marines and flowers: fair enough - but if crusading knights could use rose emblems, why not space marines? Because the Sisters of Battle have copyrighted the rose, of course! It gets worse. Ogres are grey, but we're allowed to paint them a flesh colour. Magnanimous! Oh, this just in - a pale green gobbo is ok too.... ![]() Finally, we're told that Mozart didn't invent instruments, but "look what he was able to do with them". The arrogance and complete lack of correlation is almost as inspiring as the following revelation: "Reinvention, that's were real creativity lies." Good grief. The author IS referring to Golden Demon entries, to be fair, but this limitation to creativity and over-sensitivity to its extents is, to me appalling. Ok, not long enough for a rant, not quite a tirade even. but - for once - I AM angry. |
Author: | Sergeant_Crunch [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:15 pm ] |
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Geez, and people wonder why I refuse to support that company by not purchasing their products. |
Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:24 pm ] |
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On Araby, I've now found my 'get into GamesDay 30 minutes early' entry! ![]() |
Author: | Heresiarch [ Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:52 pm ] |
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I hear you Vanvlak... in a big way. Canada got it's very own version of White Dwarf... instead of the US version with a Canadian insert... about 5 or 6 months ago and as hard as it is to believe it probably managed to halve the content of the US version. The entire magazine is now one giant "buy our current releases" advertisement. There doesn't seem to be an article left in it that's not targeted at GW's theoretical market of constantly replenishing 13-14 year olds. Even the Golden Demon photos have been cut to a page or so... It's actually so bad the local game store hasn't even lost any to shoplifting in the last 4 months. With apologies to L4 I think GW's motto is now officially "Do what ever works for us!". |
Author: | orangesm [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:28 am ] |
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The US WD is not any better. Anyone notice that Black Gobbo used to have seemie different content and was not just a spot to show me bits and pieces of the site at large or WD. That sadly has gone away as well. |
Author: | dptdexys [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:50 am ] |
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There doesn't seem to be an article left in it that's not targeted at GW's theoretical market of constantly replenishing 13-14 year olds. GW do not seem to realise that eventually their upcoming market will be children of past customers they have ?"ticked off" and said target customers' daddy will not waste his money on an expensive hobby for his kids he knows will soon get little support ?other than "buy more of our new stuff". I have a 17 year old son who left the hobby just before his 16th birthday(discovered girls and suddenly became grown up) since his 4th birthday i had bought every game GW released plus numerous armies every christmas and birthday admittedly the first 7 or 8 years were an excuse for me to collect stupid amounts of epic stuff but thats what kids are for. ? ![]() Now my 9 year old daughter is showing a big interest in painting models and playing the odd game against her dad but I would never go back to the days of spending over ??400 on GW stuff for every birthday and Christmas presents and buying every newly released game or re-release of boxed sets,codexes,limited edtion models/terrain pieces etc as soon as they came out (well maybe if their was an upsurge in epic stuff ) ![]() |
Author: | dptdexys [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:12 am ] |
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I would like to add that I don't think that GW overprice their goods,they maybe expensive compared to other companies but I think the background they have created and most of the online stuff they have made available (LRBooks,articles,player aids etc.)make up for the additional costs but I do dislike the way they treat customers especially in the specialist games section . |
Author: | Legion 4 [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:22 am ] |
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Yep, the G/W W/D had the same article ... just another reason to be happy about DRM and E/W ... ![]() |
Author: | Markconz [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:48 am ] |
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Yeah I wouldn't worry about it too much... just the usual drivel from White Dwarf. The Araby comments are completley barking mad considering the Dogs of War units in Warhammer and the new Warmaster army. Lets be fair - they can use whatever schedule they want for their GD judging. They will probalby score exceptionally beautiful development of their OWN universe higher than alternative universe stuff. Still this article is just one person's opinion. If you look at what gets noticed and featured in WD and GW online often it IS the truly unique 'one persons imaginative take on things' stuff - like undead high elves, or an AWI Empire army. |
Author: | Tas [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:25 am ] |
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(vanvlak @ Dec. 28 2006,06:54) QUOTE Now I'm waaaay too far from GD standard, but Dude I feel your pain, but couldnt help but laugh out aloud when I read this! Mate you are in another Universe from GW when it comes to creativity. But the VSF'verse loves you and welcomes your hair brained schemes and conversions! You know what? 6 months away and I havent missed this kind of GW crud at all. GW is for fanboys. assimmilate or move on.... My GW sellup will be in early 07, retaining only small portion of classic games and a small Epic force only. There are too mnay other poeple who want to selel me their games and figures and appreictae me as a customer and gamer. |
Author: | Legion 4 [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:50 am ] |
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So the F/W Motto would be - DWWFU ! ![]() ![]() |
Author: | CyberShadow [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 10:50 am ] |
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I hear ya... I am still fuming about my previous problem with WD regarding most wargaming involving re-enacting (I almost emailed WD, but they dont accept any contact except mail... surprise). We had the same article here. It is almost enough for me to dig out an ancient Cathay mini and paint it up for GD in protest, or put together some Araby minis. How about a sweepstake on how many category winners include the GW giant? |
Author: | ragnarok [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:08 pm ] |
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What I don't get about their stancy on Cathay is that we already have a load of information on them. A picture in the other races section of the rule book. Showing a Celestial Dragon warrior. The Cathian longsword that Ogre maneaters use Clan eshin train under them, or at least a breakaway fraction of their monks. They have their own version of beastmen with tiger heads and are neutral. Their wizards are very powerful astromancers (hevens magic) |
Author: | Reaver [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:54 pm ] |
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And the Warmaster Araby list in WD showed a picture of an Araby (Arabian?) cavalryman. I'm deeply tempted to sculpt it and enter it in next year's GD competition... Regards, Reaver |
Author: | Mojarn Piett [ Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:24 pm ] |
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(ragnarok @ Dec. 28 2006,13:08) QUOTE Clan eshin train under them, or at least a breakaway fraction of their monks. The Eshin trained (surprise) in Nippon. Personally I find the idea of rat ninjas... well, only the Ogre ninja is worse in my book. ![]() They have their own version of beastmen with tiger heads and are neutral. Weren't these from Inja? The Emperor of Cathay is also said to be an immortal dragon. |
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