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Inquisition v. Black Legion

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:27 pm 
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On Friday night LordInquisitor and I met up at a local game shop in Virginia Beach, Virginia, USA  for a game of Epic: Armageddon.

Although both of our wives had warned us not to go and meet "internet stalkers" in person, we braved the risk.

LordInquisitor, as might be expected, brought his homegrown forces of the Inquisisition list ( and a nice collection of ForgeWorld Grey Knights).  I brought an ill-conceived Black Legion list, including forces loyal to Tzeentch, Khorne, and Nurgle.  Having originally organized my Chaos collection around the Space Marine era rules (with the army cards and other silliness), the transition to E:A was a bit tricky.

We played a warmup 1,000 point game, in which LordInquisitor brought me up to date on the rules.

Then, we played a proper 3,000 point game.
The Inquistors came in force, with Grey Knights, henchmen, a Thunderhawk, gun cutter, orbital artillery support and a pair of warhound titans.

Chaos poured out from the warp around the ruins of the inperial palace.  Tzeentch marines, swiftdeath fighters, six landraiders, dreadnoughts, nurgle marines, a mighty decimator, and a   Banelord Titan lumbered across the scorched battlefield.

Turn 1:

On the Tzeentchian left flank, a grey knight thunderhawk dropped low from the clouds in support of a close assault.  Swiftdeath fighters on CAP put some harrassing fire on it, but to no real effect.  On the ground below, the entire marine contingent was scattered into the warp with its demon prince before the God of Change could even blink.  There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth.  So much for that objective.

In the center, Khornes landraiders and dreadnoughts held sway, supported from behind by the hulking Banelord titan.  Two warhounds made the mistake of wandering out around the ruins into a withering array of lascannon, autocannon, and other gunfire.  Their void shields held, at first.

To the right, the forces of nurgle spewed forward toward a solitary hill.  A decimator clattered alongside, keeping watch over the center of the battlefied, in case the Warhounds decided to turn. Imperial stormtroopers in Chimerae swung far right around them.  The dance had begun, but the battle not yet joined.

TURN 2:  

The landraiders and dreadnoughts unleashed Khorne's fury on the Warhounds in the center of the battlefied.  Both were cutdown almost instantaneously.  Blood for the blood god!  On the left, Chaos flyers harrassed grey knights on the ground, but to little effect.  The Banelord let loose a few rockets, but, with the fall of the Warhounds, little remained in its effective range or Line of Sight.  Not so, however, for the Imperial fleet in low orbit.  A burst of pinpoint strikes rained down.  The banelord, perhaps protected in unspoken ways by the Bloodgod himself, hardly noticed the array of munitions dropped around him.  All 6 voidshields rmained intact.  The tense action on the right continued.  Nurgles marines surged forward, bolstered by the appearance of  several plaguebearers and the superheavy decimator.  Contact was made with an Inquisitor and his retinue.  Nurgle got the initial upperhand, and a handful of Imperial Henchmen and supporting rhinos were destroyed. [photos to follow]  But the battle remained joined.

TURN 3:  Note: Taking objectives is more important than taking skulls for the throne of Khorne.

With the left flank gone, and most of my forces out of reach of key objectives, it became clear that Chaos would not win the day.  The conflict on the hill turned ugly, and most of Nurgle's forces were banished to the warp.  The stormtroopers (remember them?)  swarmed in from the wings to take the far objective.  Orther Imperials easily claimed the landscape by simply staying out of reach of my landraiders.

In all, I had a rude awakening into the new world of Epic:Armageddon.  As an old Space Marine player, I need to unthink a lot of old strategies and expectations.  Three turns and diferrent objectives make for a very strategic game.  My thanks to the good Lord Inquisitor for showing me the ropes, and patiently enduring my page-shuffling and mis-steps.  I will revise my lists, revise my strategies, and venture out from the Eye of Terror again sometime soon.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:31 pm 
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Oh the inhumanity! :(












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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:50 pm 
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Thanks for the batrep.  I am curious how you felt the Inquisition played.  Did it seem overpowered/underpowered/baby bear?  How does it feel to be 'back in the saddle' with Armageddon? :)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:58 pm 
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Moscovian:  I am curious how you felt the Inquisition played.  Did it seem overpowered/underpowered/baby bear?


I have to defer to Lord Inquisitor on this.  I think it seemed fair.  We had some wild swings of dicerolling at times, and I foolishly shorted myself about 200 points (apparently I can't summon Greater Demons without more help than I gave myself).  He has pointed out the units in a way that seems right.  The units I expected to be nasty were.  The more regular units, weren't.  I need a few more goes at them, but I think it is a nice list.

How does it feel to be 'back in the saddle' with Armageddon? :)

I feel like I was on a carnival ride that I can't say that I enjoyed, but I want to go again.  Everything is VERY different.  My problem is that I have to unthink what I know about Space Marine era chaos, and re-learn this new way of organizing units.  It's a much more tactical and strategic game than Space Marine.  The old game was much more silly (and, in my opinion, pure fun).  This is a different experience.  A great game, just different.   It reminds me a bit of Warmaster, which I love.  Again, if Lord Inquisitor is up to it, I'm interested in playing more.

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If we can manage a tourney for the East Coast I'd love to come down there and play with you guys. ?It's a haul for just casual game but for a full day of gaming I would enjoy coming and playing against your Chaos and Inquisition forces.




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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:11 pm 
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(Tertius @ Sep. 10 2007,09:58)
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I?My problem is that I have to unthink what I know about Space Marine era chaos, and re-learn this new way of organizing units.

That's my problem, too. Every now and then when I'm playing E:A, I remember some rule and I have to stop and think if it's an E:A rule or a Space Marine rule.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:24 am 
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I'll add a few things here:

It was great to play a game of Epic again, Tertius was a great opponent and had a very nice Chaos army with lots of groovey models which were of course painted, putting my half-painted inquisitorial force to shame. I'll try and focus that shame and get some more painted!

What doesn't really come across from the report above was just how mauled my forces really were. Tertius' forces were quite low on activations, but ultimately I only managed to pick off his two retinues - I wasn't able to touch (at all) his large formation of Land Raiders, his Swiftdeaths or his Banelord. My Inquisitor Lord was battered but alive, his formation cowering in the corner - I moved in against the Nurgle retinue (in the picture above), but wasn't able to support them with the Grey Knights in the Thunderhawk, and they got rather resoundly beaten - those Plaguebearers are tough! When the Swiftdeaths swooped in against my Thunderhawk they did score a hit against it, causing a minor heart attack while a critical was rolled for. He didn't get a 6, but it scared me! I then took out his Tzeentchian retinue, but my Inquisitor and my Terminators took casualties in return. Oh, and the reason why the stormtroopers did nothing in turn two was because I completely forgot about them in the corner!

Ultimately, the only mistakes Tertius really made were not using the full force of the Banelord against me and moving off his objectives. If that Banelord had sat on his Blitz objective on overwatch, I doubt I could have won. I very much doubt that Tertius will let me get away with that again!

Moscovian:
I'm pretty happy with the Ordo Malleus ITF right now. There are a few tweaks I want to make still, but with a few recent games it seems to me that - while I've won them - it tends to be purely in objectives rather than in terms of victory points. My casualties are usually rather horrendous, as in this game: we didn't count it up, but I suspect that Tertius did rather more damage to me than I did to him.

As for a tournie, I'll give it some thought. We are now at 3 Epic players down here, I've a friend that is looking at Epic on Ebay now, so that might be 4 in the near future. Another one or two and we could indeed have a little tournie!

Edit: Tertius, could you put a couple of new lines between the two image tags in your post above and put the pictures one on top of the other rather than side by side? It would make this thread much less wide!






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Tertius, could you put a couple of new lines between the two image tags in your post above and put the pictures one on top of the other rather than side by side? It would make this thread much less wide!


Done.  They weren't side by side on my screen, but I added some lines.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:04 pm 
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Lord Inquisitor,

Have you made a .pdf of your Ordo Malleus force list? I'm currently mulling over starting an inquisitorial force and would love it to be drawn from the hammers of demons. (the FW Grey Knights look very nice)

Cheers for the battle rep. A baptism of fire for you tertius! I hope you give things another go!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:37 pm 
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(Kleomenes @ Sep. 11 2007,10:04)
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Have you made a .pdf of your Ordo Malleus force list? I'm currently mulling over starting an inquisitorial force and would love it to be drawn from the hammers of demons. (the FW Grey Knights look very nice)

Yes and no - I still need to make a PDF of the Ordo Malleus on their own. Still, you can make an Ordo Malleus army from the original Inquisition Task Force, which you can download from here:

www.geocities.com/lordinquisitor

Which is fairly balanced, although there will be a few tweaks in the new version - mostly, I've just been splitting up the Ordos to keep things simple!

Done. ?They weren't side by side on my screen, but I added some lines.

Thanks! Much better.






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