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Author:  Cosmic Serpent [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:10 am ]
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So after a year of being out of the Epic scene - and looking at both the SG forums and these forums - It seems that our beloved game is withering and dying a slow death?  I'm sure there have been many topics such as this in the past and will continue in the future - but being very much into seeing the new lists be developed, it just doesn't seem there are as many people playing the game any more?

There will always be the die hards, and there is the ever popular topic of SG and how poorly they seem to be doing - but do people in general feel that the game itself is slowly losing players faster than we are gaining new interest?

I just recently moved to Chicago - and I've yet to really see any EA games at the local store being played.  I'm not sure what type of EA community resides in the city - but its a city of ~12 million people, if there aren't players here - then what about all the much smaller cities in the US and other countries?  During my move, many pieces of my epic collection got destroyed (stupid moving company) - but now I am faced with the question, is it even worth my time to rebuild my guard - especially given I would like to rebuild my drop troop army?  Don't get me wrong, I personally like the game - and would like to see it continue to thrive - but the thought of many, many hours cleaning Valkyries and painting 6mm men - just to find I have fewer opponents than ever - really kind of sucks to even think about?

I don't want this to be a personal rant - but what do people think - is EA dying in your small area of this world?  How far do you have to go to find a game?
Author:  Nicodemus [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:23 am ]
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Well, I live in small village of 500 000 people, and I have 5 irregulary regular gamepartner and Hena can even arrange tournaments of 6-16 people. So in cold Ultima Thule (Finland) Epic seems alive-ish. (Compared to say, Warmachine to which I cant find ANY player (well, that one shopclerk who promotes Warmachine dont count...).

But it is quite shocking to think that in city of 12 Million (over twice the population of Finland) there are not Epic players.
Author:  Markconz [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:39 am ]
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I've got up to a dozen players in a city of under 500K here in NZ.

Part of it is luck of the draw, part of it is getting a core of players to attract more.

The current Specialist Games situation doesn't help of course.
Author:  Legion 4 [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:24 am ]
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WE are the future of Epic ... Or now 6mm Sci-fi ... Since G/w not longer really supports and former Epic-philes started DRM and E/W.  Epic/6mm Sci-fi is what we make it ...
Author:  Steve54 [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:24 am ]
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I think in the UK EA bottomed out about the time of the SG 'reorganisation' and forum change when a lot of players disappeared.

At the moment there is definitely a resurgence in EA - various 'cells' have formed around the UK - Sheffield, Nottingham, London, Milton Keynes, Southampton, Mansfield etc who are attracting new players, there is firm tournament calendar which, in the last few events, has welcomed a number of new players and a growing level of cooperation and discussion between UK players.

At the present the only problems are lack of models(partly addressed by other manufacturers) and more significantly huge frustration at the ERC and the rules review.
Author:  Tiny-Tim [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:46 am ]
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As Legion 4 stated, WE are the future and by our work we are keeping the game going and as Steve54 has said in the UK we seem to be slowly increasing in numbers. I can happily say that I have found 3 new players in travelling distance within the past year.
Author:  Soren [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:52 am ]
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Same in Austria and Germany. Most of them veteran players who dislike 40k 4.0 but like the background and want to play an alternative system in the same game-world......
Author:  vanvlak [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:03 am ]
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In Malta we have 30-40, perhaps more people playing.


40K. Or Warhammer FB.


And one idiot who makes daft/useless/inane/really * brilliant conversions of Epic (and other) stuff instead of doing demos or something.....  :p
*That's the PRECISE instant  the coffee kicked in.  :blues:  :confuse:
Author:  semajnollissor [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Future of EA

(Cosmic Serpent @ Sep. 19 2007,19:10)
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So after a year of being out of the Epic scene - and looking at both the SG forums and these forums - It seems that our beloved game is withering and dying a slow death?

Check out this thread for the progress:
http://www.tacticalwargames.net/cgi-bin....;t=9988

...I just recently moved to Chicago - and I've yet to really see any EA games at the local store being played. ?I'm not sure what type of EA community resides in the city - but its a city of ~12 million people, if there aren't players here - then what about all the much smaller cities in the US and other countries?
Well, there are definitely Epic players in Chicagoland, but they don't necessarily play at game stores, especially given that GW doesn't sell epic minis to retailers (so retailers have little incentive to promote the game). I know that in the vicinity of Nashville, the only games I can get in are at people's houses. You'll probably have to find a group through non-conventional means (which might not be worth the effort, I admit).

I don't want this to be a personal rant - but what do people think - is EA dying in your small area of this world?
I think all of the SG games are in trouble for a couple reasons. First, no ongoing mini support. Second, no real guidance from GW about how to go about getting rules revisions finalized. Third, GW as a whole is declining. I haven't seen a game of 40k played at my regular game store in over 2 years. It's all Warmachine/Hordes or else CCGs and Clix.

The thing is, though, that if you still want to play table top wargames (in general) you should still be ok. If you only want to play epic, then you may need to be sneaky about it. Get to know the guys that are playing those other games and find out if any of them ever played epic in the past. See if you can convince them to play a game "for old time's sake" or something.
Author:  Dwarf Supreme [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:34 pm ]
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In my neck of the woods (Southern New England), there aren't that many active players that I know of, but Dave and I are doing our best to recruit new players. I can think of two or three that we're trying to recruit. My regular Epic opponent, my nephew, wants to learn E:A, as do one or two of his friends.

From an "official" stand point, Epic is pretty much dead in the water, but I see enough fan support to sustain the game regardless of what GW does. Even though the prospects of getting new minis is pretty dim, there's always sources like ebay for old minis and new companies like EW and DRM to provide new proxies. I'll be the first to admit that it's easy to be pessimistic when it comes to E:A, but as long as there are people playing, the game will live, even if it means making the transition to NetE:A.
Author:  TheLimey [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:44 pm ]
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There is some interest in Miami, with 4 or five of us slowly getting critical mass to actually play a game. The organiser for the 40k games is supportive, and would like to see some SG games played every now and then, as he has some interest for BFG in his group.
Author:  nealhunt [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:29 pm ]
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There is a very sizable Epic/BFG community in Chicago.  One of the guys I play with moved from there and they had regular tournaments, leagues, campaigns and various goony events.

Drop me a PM with your email and I'll put you in touch with him.  He can no doubt steer you in the right direction.
Author:  Otterman [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:08 pm ]
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(vanvlak @ Sep. 20 2007,03:03)
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In Malta we have 30-40, perhaps more people playing.

Wow. And Malta, is like, what, 100 meters wide? :D
Author:  Legion 4 [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:02 pm ]
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As D/S said and I always do, we have DRM and E/W, who will also be releasing rules soon. Not to mention some very fine talent here making "proxies" ... And with F/W going "Hog Wild" releasing AI ... Ebay and Bartertown are full of Epic. So as I said and will say again ... Who needs G/W ?!!  :;): :p  I just got the new issue of W/D. US W/D 333,  it's mostly 40K Apocalypse ... the answer - G/W's decision about Epic.  Play it in 40k scale !  :(  :laugh: :;):
Author:  vanvlak [ Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Future of EA

(Otterman @ Sep. 20 2007,19:08)
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(vanvlak @ Sep. 20 2007,03:03)
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In Malta we have 30-40, perhaps more people playing.

Wow. And Malta, is like, what, 100 meters wide? :D

Hope you've noticed that 30-40 40K and WHFB and not Epic players....

100m... nah, more like 104m. You have to be careful when rolling dice in case they fall off.  :devil:
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