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Post subject: How Many Points Do You Play??  Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:03 am |
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| Quote (dafrca @ 18 April 2006 (08:56)) | |
So in other words, you are the same person, just disagree with his memory of why you changed the list, right?  |
Next time read what I said.
I changed list because the frigging weapon selection system is just bloody stupid leading to broken list. Maybe the list is workable in something like 2000 pts, maybe not. But 3k+ and off the scale it goes.
Your point was you play large games and do not think there is any real balance issue amoung the armies beyond, say, 6k or so. Do I have your point right? |
Not quite but more of size of armies makes those army imbalances(which aren't huge anyway) have less of effect than other factors involved in the game.
Imbalance is there but it's effect isn't noticable and since you don't play 10k games with WAAC attitude(which is where imbalances are problem anyway) what issues there are can be ignored for fun of it. And of course who says to use the lists straight up anyway...Game rules are only starting point. Expand! Modify! Explore! Game is what you make of it.
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Post subject: How Many Points Do You Play?? Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:09 am |
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| Quote (tneva82 @ 18 April 2006 (01:03)) | | Next time read what I said. |
No need to be rude when I am trying to bring the discussion back on track. 
I did read what you wrote. (not said) and I did think it was unclear because you spent time defending you actions and then went on to claim not to be the person he thought you were.
I think I am done with this, enjoy yourself.
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Post subject: How Many Points Do You Play?? Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:13 am |
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At the Sheffield gaming centre we have had 2 6k games every monday for the last two years+ and there have been very few problems in terms of balance. 2 of us have marines as one of our armies and they have proved effective at 6k against horde armies such as IG and Orks when used to their strengths - taking 3-4 warhounds to suppress flak and air-assaulting with a Landing craft and 4-5 thunderhawks.
Between the 4-6 of us who regularily play we have had 6k games with Codex Marines, BT, White Scars, Orks, Speed Freeks, OGBM, AMTL, IG, Chaos BL, Eldar, Siegemasters and Tyranids. From those the only real difficulties were with Marines vs. AMTL or OGBM though even those have been reduced with practice
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Post subject: How Many Points Do You Play?? Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:16 am |
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| Quote (Steve54 @ 18 April 2006 (01:13)) | At the Sheffield gaming centre we have had 2 6k games every monday for the last two years+ and there have been very few problems in terms of balance. 2 of us have marines as one of our armies and they have proved effective at 6k against horde armies such as IG and Orks when used to their strengths - taking 3-4 warhounds to suppress flak and air-assaulting with a Landing craft and 4-5 thunderhawks.
Between the 4-6 of us who regularily play we have had 6k games with Codex Marines, BT, White Scars, Orks, Speed Freeks, OGBM, AMTL, IG, Chaos BL, Eldar, Siegemasters and Tyranids. From those the only real difficulties were with Marines vs. AMTL or OGBM though even those have been reduced with practice |
Just curious, do you switch around the armies or does the same players play the same armies for the most part?
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Post subject: How Many Points Do You Play?? Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:24 am |
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I think most of us have had a go with most of the armies and for most armies we have more than one person who owns the respective army and thus regularily uses them.
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Post subject: How Many Points Do You Play?? Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:26 am |
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| Quote (dafrca @ 18 April 2006 (09:09)) | | and then went on to claim not to be the person he thought you were. |
If you refer to this:
So no I'm not that tneva. Dunno whom you are talking about
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Post subject: How Many Points Do You Play?? Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:27 am |
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| Quote (Steve54 @ 18 April 2006 (01:24)) | | I think most of us have had a go with most of the armies and for most armies we have more than one person who owns the respective army and thus regularily uses them. |
Sounds like a great groops of people. Wish I had a group like that around.
Thanks
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Post subject: How Many Points Do You Play?? Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:07 pm |
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I made changes to AMTL list because that frigging list is unbalanced in non-huge games.
So far largest AMTL force I have fielded has been circa 4000 points. So changing it because it's unbalanced in higher games wouldn't make much sense.
I made changes because the frigging weapon selection system is simply broken beyond repair. Not because it's somehow broken in 10k games(where I haven't fielded all-titan list anyway and likely never will. Those games sees combined arms approach). |
Serious, determined, non-joke bit.
So no I'm not that tneva. Dunno whom you are talking about  |
Joke bit.
Without signposts it can be difficult to tell (a result of the medium), particularly when context changes in a post.
Anyway... moving on...
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Post subject: How Many Points Do You Play?? Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:06 pm |
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| Quote (nealhunt @ 18 April 2006 (06:30)) | | Back to the subject and in all seriousness, I do think that the point-density in play makes a significant difference in the overall play balance as certain levels will tend to favor certain play styles and armies that work best in those styles. |
I think that the "unbalanced" armies at larger point totals is more a worry produced by a known lack of playtesting at those levels then by any real proof.
The whole playtest period was done using 2500 to about 4k for the most part. Suggestions on power levels of units were often made with the argument that nly so many could be included or that the cost would make them rare on the board.
The idea is that if I play a 10k army then some of that "hard choice" goes away and now I can have untested levels of formations and units.
Truth is, we have not played, in a playtest enviroment, enough 10k games to know for sure the true level of inbalance that would exist. Even some of those who argue there is little balance issue have admited to "adjusting" rule sets to fit thier play style. So it makes knowing for sure either way very hard.
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Post subject: How Many Points Do You Play?? Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:31 pm |
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