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Post subject: Moving on  Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:47 pm |
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| Quote (Magnus @ 22 Nov. 2005 (11:11)) | | Quote (Dwarf Supreme @ 21 Nov. 2005 (17:58)) | | I'm also at that point where I have decided to unlaod a bunch of Avalon Hill games that I will probably never play again or won't miss. If anyone is looking for a specific AH game, let me know; I might be willing to part with it. |
Unnhhh... careful with this kind of statements... I could take them at face value ? |
Feel free to take it face value; that's how it was intended. It's not a matter of if I sell a bunch of AH games, but when.
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Post subject: Moving on Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:15 pm |
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Post subject: Moving on Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:38 pm |
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Vanvlak,
Don't Panic!!!
It's doesn't matter how much you have as long as you had fun doing it. We all go through this stange. And all of us will go with unpainted lead in our house, but it doesn't matter. The journey the experience is always worth it in the end.
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Post subject: Moving on Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:09 pm |
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Not to mention the fact that everyone knows what happens to the careless wargamer who paints every single mini in his possession..... 
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Post subject: Moving on Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:29 pm |
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I am constantly puzzled by the general view that you actually have to play games to get 'value' or worth from them. I have several games where I have not played once, but I have some of the minis which I enjoy putting together and painting, I like the background and rules systems and enjoy emersing myself in the game theory sometimes. When you buy a book, you dont expect anything but a good read and an interesting couple of hours... if that is all that you go into a rules set with then you will find that you get more out of it. I buy rule books that I know that I will never actually play, because I like reading them and enjoy the idea for mechanics and background.
If I can get a rule book and read it for a few days and enjoy doing it, them I am happy with the purchase. If I then sit down and plan a couple of army lists that I have no intention of spending any money on, then this is a cheap hobby! 
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Post subject: Moving on Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:39 pm |
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I like your sentiment, CS. I agree that you don't have to a play a game to get enjoyment out of it. However, I have never bought a game that I didn't intend to play. To me it would be a waste of money to buy I game that I didn't plan on playing.
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Post subject: Moving on Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:16 pm |
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| Quote (CyberShadow @ 23 Nov. 2005 (11:29)) | I am constantly puzzled by the general view that you actually have to play games to get 'value' or worth from them. I have several games where I have not played once, but I have some of the minis which I enjoy putting together and painting, I like the background and rules systems and enjoy emersing myself in the game theory sometimes. When you buy a book, you dont expect anything but a good read and an interesting couple of hours... if that is all that you go into a rules set with then you will find that you get more out of it. I buy rule books that I know that I will never actually play, because I like reading them and enjoy the idea for mechanics and background.
If I can get a rule book and read it for a few days and enjoy doing it, them I am happy with the purchase. If I then sit down and plan a couple of army lists that I have no intention of spending any money on, then this is a cheap hobby! ? |
Hi!
Good point.
Enjoyment, is a subjective term. There are many ways of getting it from a game beyond playing it.
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Post subject: Moving on Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 9:38 pm |
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I can see what your saying regarding purchasing a game - but I'm sure many people here must also have boxes of stuff that will never see the light of day again. I know I did. I felt that those old games would be better going to someone who would get more out of them than I would, while reducing my own clutter at the same time.
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Post subject: Moving on Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:25 am |
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Like everyone, I have a collection of stuff. Most of it was bought to play with, some to peruse the rules of a similar game genre for me to take the best bits and incorprate into my fav rules. But I totally agree with C/S in that much pleasure can be gained from reading the rules and planning some armies. Indeed, often that is all I CAN do (for obvious reasons) so thats better than nothing at all.
And I try to keep everything I can nowadays. I sold off pretty much everything I owned when I first joined the Navy and deeply regretted it later as many old favs were OOP. I have many again now (but not all) thanks to ebay though. I find that my intertests are circular - ie I come back to some games systems or genres peridocally, and its great once that interest has been rekindled to open up a magical box filled with rules, minis and other stuff to support it. While it seems to be a hoarders instinct (to my wife at least!) its somehwat economical to game with the same bits over and over again.
Renegade Legion: I loved it. All of it. I have all the games and the supplements at home. The background was great and very colourful and the damage system (used in Interceptor, Centurion and Leviathan) was unique. But the system was far too cumbersome for the Company plus games that I wanted to play. More than 4-5 vehicles was unplayable in a realistically available time frame.
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Post subject: Moving on Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:39 pm |
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| Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 21 Nov. 2005 (23:32)) | GAMES I haven't played for a year or more:
Starship & Starfighter Games:
- (Iron Crown) Silent Death
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Hi Maksim
An impressive list there. I noticed Silent Death as I was scrolling down. Likewise at my local gaming club we used to play this game until it became hard to get hold of in UK when ICE went into bankruptcy/liquidation (I forget which- the US terms are slightly different from UK terms which confuses me more) a while back.
Well a few months back I found out that they had come out of bankruptcy/liquidation and they have updated their website. They now sell their games both as hard copy rulebooks and a PDF download version (at about half the price of hard copy rulebooks. They make most of their money from selling the minatures.
I wonder whether any other companies could learn from that... 
Have I said enough to tempt you into giving it another go?
The renewed support from ICE and the wider availability of their figures (thanks to good ole ebay) has meant that myself and 2 other guys have got back into it. I have 4 Darts and 4 Pit Vipers on my painting table as we speak!
Cheers
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Post subject: Moving on Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:48 pm |
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Hi V
Hopefully you can see from all of the subsequent e-mails that you don't have any reason to panic just yet. Like yourself I am drifting away from GW although I still veer to the more Sci-fi end rather than your Victoriana.
Yet my friend Jim has a similar passion for Victorian SciFi as yourself. I have forwarded him some of your previous links. Most of them he had already seen or else was studiously avoiding at the risk of spending yet more money....
Did I give you his e-mail address?
Cheers
James
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Post subject: Moving on Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 9:50 pm |
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Hi James,
| Quote (wargame_insomniac @ 28 Nov. 2005 (19:39)) | | Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 21 Nov. 2005 (23:32)) | GAMES I haven't played for a year or more:
Starship & Starfighter Games:
- (Iron Crown) Silent Death
Shalom,
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Hi Maksim
An impressive list there. I noticed Silent Death as I was scrolling down. Likewise at my local gaming club we used to play this game until it became hard to get hold of in UK when ICE went into bankruptcy/liquidation (I forget which- the US terms are slightly different from UK terms which confuses me more) a while back. |
The break-up was really weird. ICE suddenly stopped responding to communication and noone knew what was going on. It reminds me of GW behavior.
| Quote (wargame_insomniac @ 28 Nov. 2005 (19:39)) | Well a few months back I found out that they had come out of bankruptcy/liquidation and they have updated their website. They now sell their games both as hard copy rulebooks and a PDF download version (at about half the price of hard copy rulebooks. They make most of their money from selling the minatures.
I wonder whether any other companies could learn from that... |
There is a new group that is now the "new" ICE. They are working on new materials.
And as you have observed, most of the money in gaming comes from miniatures, not rules. I beleive Jimbo has some experience with rules and it didn't work out too well for him.
I'm putting a toe in the water myself, but taking it very slowly with my "Planetfall" rules. My goal is to break even and hopefully make a little.
| Quote (wargame_insomniac @ 28 Nov. 2005 (19:39)) | | Have I said enough to tempt you into giving it another go? |
Actually, Leland Erickson, one of the new ICE writers/investors/painters/etc. lives close by and we're acquaintances if not better. He keeps saying he wants to run a few games, but I haven't seen it happen yet.
I have a number of painted fighters and all of my rulebooks. To be honest, Silent Death is a good "beer & pretzels" game, but it also has some aspects of "Car Wars disease"... too many add-on rules that have grown convoluted. It can be a fun game to play though if you can chuck some of the more convoluted of the add-ons.
Wessex Games is getting ready to come out with a new starfighter game called Iron Hawk. It should be good. I like Steve Blease, David Manley and that lot. Good guys with a nice solid idea of what's fun and what should be chucked out in the rubbish barrel.
| Quote (wargame_insomniac @ 28 Nov. 2005 (19:39)) | The renewed support from ICE and the wider availability of their figures (thanks to good ole E-bay) has meant that myself and two other guys have got back into it. I have four Darts and four Pit Vipers on my painting table as we speak!
Cheers,
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The small fighters can be fun if a bit thinly armored. They pop easily. I always liked the Salamander and I'm not sure why.
Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
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