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Post subject: Need some Help!  Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:51 pm |
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I don't think it's been discussed for Pre-/Heresy era.
Just off the top of my head, I'd say use the SM SC rule as a template and add a special ability or two relevant to the particular Primarch. Resist the temptation to make it a "character hammer" situation and keep most of their power in command and control abilities - boost SR, extra SC rerolls, etc..
If you're doing a "historical" campaign, you should probably have some special rule regarding killing them as separate from destroying their unit, which just means combat-ineffective and not literally dead.
Post-heresy, I knocked out an idea for Magnus in the appendix of the TSons list and there was some discussion of how to do Fulgrim in the EC threads on the SG boards.
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Post subject: Need some Help! Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:17 pm |
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This isn't for a campaign, it's for a Demonstration game of Epic representing the siege of the Emperor's palace.
Since this is 'the big one' we were thinking the Primarchs should be rather good... the stats aren't meant to be balanced, this is character-hammer of the highest order!
Some random stat thoughts:
- Angron (World Eaters Primarch)
DC:3
3+ reinforced armour
Invulnerable save
CC 2+
+2 TK(D3) attacks
No firefight ability
- Mortarion (Death Guard Primarch)
DC:3
3+ Reinforced Armour
Invulnerable Save
CC 3+
FF 4+
+4 Firefight attacks (A contagion drifting on the winds near him).
- Perturbero (Iron Warriors Primarch)
DC 3
3+ Reinforced Armour
Invulnerable Save
CC3+
FF3+
+2 FF attacks (MW)
+2 CC attacks (MW)
Rogal Dorn (Imperial Fists Primarch)
Infantry Character with his own stats
FF 3+
CC 3+
3+ Reinforced Armour
Invulnerable Save
+2 MW CC attacks
+4 FF attacks (He's good at coordinating the battle!)
Has 2 SC re-rolls.
Sanguinius (Blood Angels Primarch)
Infantry Character with his own stats
FF5+
CC2+
3+ Reinforced Armour
Invulnerable Save
+1 TK CC attacks
+1 MW CC attacks
Has the Jump Pack ability and a 30cm move regardless of what unit he joins.
Jengati Khan (White Scars Primarch - Am I right in thinking he rides around on top of a Rhino APC?)
Infantry Character with his own stats
FF5+
CC2+
3+ Reinforced Armour
Invulnerable Save
+5 CC attacks
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Post subject: Need some Help! Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:42 pm |
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While I really like the way the primarchs are implemented it might also be nice to give them special/one off powers too.
Rogal Dorn's 2 SC rerolls make lots of sense as this- could call it something like "Strategic Genius".
For Sanguinus something to do with his purity and his habit of leading from the front would be appropriate. Perhaps, inspired by his example, the unit he is with automatically rallies if broken or what if he has a boosted leader ability (such as can shift 4 BM)
How about for Jaghatai Khan- "Fury of Khan" which grants the unit he is with to gain infiltrate for one turn? Represents a furious, lightning fast strike at the heart of the enemy. (I know this is generally a bad idea- but could be cool for such an apocalyptic game)
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Post subject: Need some Help! Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:51 pm |
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boosted leader ability
Sounds clever.
How about for Jaghatai Khan- "Fury of Khan" which grants the unit he is with to gain infiltrate for one turn?
Makes sense... 'historically' he led a massive sally from the palace which recaptured one of the nearby spaceports... he then turned on the local defense guns and shot down a whole whack of Horus' fleet!
I was kinda thinking that the Daemon Primarchs would be 'unbreakable' (Ala Tyranids you could never lay blast markers on them).
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Post subject: Need some Help! Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:59 pm |
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the idea of special one off powers for the Primarchs is a thing i've also been thinking about too, but i think that they should be REALLY Hardcore because of the hole point of the Primarchs is they could basicly win battles on there own.
Like "2 SC rerolls" is good but i also think things like, because of his Genius you can use his rerolls to stop the oppenet using thiers.
but i think that we are going to have to make them good models as well as rules
anyway i'm abit off suject but if anybody also has a idea for modeling them?
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Post subject: Need some Help! Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:25 am |
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Just off the top of my head, I'd say use the SM SC rule as a template and add a special ability or two relevant to the particular Primarch. Resist the temptation to make it a "character hammer" situation and keep most of their power in command and control abilities - boost SR, extra SC rerolls, etc..
This isn't for a campaign, it's for a Demonstration game of Epic representing the siege of the Emperor's palace. Since this is 'the big one' we were thinking the Primarchs should be rather good... the stats aren't meant to be balanced, this is character-hammer of the highest order!
I can understand how both perspectives would be appropriate for this game:
- you've got to demonstrate that Epic is about command of detachments, not so much about super-powered character's destroying all in their path;
- however, you're talking about the Primarchs and it is the Heresy Era, after all... 
In addition to the stats which have been suggested, I think all should have the 'Inspiring' ability, for obvious reasons 
anyway i'm abit off suject but if anybody also has a idea for modeling them?
I'm working on that... E&C knows what I'm on about... I've started and will post some pics later this week 
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Post subject: Need some Help! Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 8:12 pm |
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Right, it's taken me a few days to get round to doing it, but here's a pic of the Primarch I'm doing to donate to this little game.
The grainy, fuzzy, monochrome pic below shows what will eventually be Perturabo, Primarch of the Iron Warriors.
He needs lots of work, I want to make a big Daemon hammer for him, he'll be on a scenic base with 2-3 Chosen.
I just need to get some Putty and start working on the details which will probably drive me mad. Typically, I forgot to get some whilst I was at Warhammer World yesterday  so I'll pick some up either tomorrow or Tuesday.
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