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WD (UK) Crosses a line
CyberShadow
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:18 pm 
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To be honest, I hadnt considered the fact that it might be correct!  :p

Even if there are more historical players out there, I dont think that it is correct to effectviely dismiss a large chunk of other games - in one sweep denying the fact that other science fiction (Defiance, Starship Troopers, Warmachine, A Call To Arms, Dirtside, Full Thrust) and fantasy (Armies of Arcana, Chronopia) games even exist!

Perhaps there is a larger market share for historical games, especially when you remove GWs influence, but the article effectively stated that if you want science fiction or fantasy gaming then GW was the only company out there.  :devil:

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Hi Guys,

I'm not 100% sure that the sci-fi / fantasy community is alrger or smaller than the historicals community, but even if there is a significant disparity, I can't imagine the markets being more different.

Sci-fi / fantasy (SF/F) figures have almost always sold for more than historicals so even if the SF/F player numbers are smaller, the profit margin ahs to be about the same... ever see what GW charges for 40k or WHFB blisters?

Even so, it does no good to stir animosity between two communities with so much overlap.

After all, many if not most of us are members of both communities... SF/F and historicals.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 4:04 pm 
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Last I heard, Privateer was coming under fire for high-priced minis.  Which is kinda what I thought would eventually happen, back when they appeared.  It's a slippery slope from 'right on' hobby-centric new guys to - frankly - a business, IMO, and GW only bear the brunt of the criticism 'cos they've been on it so long.

With that in mind I wouldn't criticise WD for concentrating on the parent company's products.  It just makes sense, in my eyes.  And it happened too long ago - before I got into wargaming, meself. :;):

I've had another look at the last WD I bought - the one with free dwarf and gobbo - and while I can't say the articles have much depth to them (which isn't a good idea when you're trying to appeal to or instruct 12-14yo noobs, IMO*), but I thought the Ork Town and (40K) Inquisitor painting articles were decent.  I don't like the way Jervis has been recalled to the main studio to act as a thinly-veiled marketing mouthpiece in WD, though, and I'd only buy the mag if there was something irresistable in it. :D

*I don't criticise them for that, either.  I mean, it seems to me like the demographic abandonment was a mutual thing.  Like I said, the articles were slowly improving for a time, but I heard only a few online praises.  The rest were objections to the improvements, or the same-old same-old "I haven't bought WD in years and never will again" schtick. :;):
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(Vermis @ Nov. 26 2006,15:04)
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I don't like the way Jervis has been recalled to the main studio to act as a thinly-veiled marketing mouthpiece in WD,

ER... They are the bits of the magazine I love. Mainly because a lot of the things he says really aren't the company line. Sometimes they even make me cringe.

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Hi Guys,

Jervis has always been one of the few good things that I've continually admired about the company. Rick Priestly too, for that matter.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:00 pm 
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(MaksimSmelchak @ Nov. 26 2006,14:41)
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Sci-fi / fantasy (SF/F) figures have almost always sold for more than historicals...

I guess the copyright on lorica segmenta expired a while back.  :;):

Even so, it does no good to stir animosity between two communities with so much overlap.

After all, many if not most of us are members of both communities... SF/F and historicals.


Well said.  We're all playing games with toy soldiers and I've never understood the split bewteen Sci Fi/Fantasy and Historical - strategy and tactics are pretty much the same whatever gloss you put on it.

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Vermis
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:13 pm 
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(mageboltrat @ Nov. 26 2006,18:16)
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ER... They are the bits of the magazine I love. Mainly because a lot of the things he says really aren't the company line. Sometimes they even make me cringe.

Well, maybe my view's coloured. ?The first one I read was - after all the complaints about GW's marketing of minis above all else - a call to disregard your army of choice and buy any 'cool' minis too.
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I havent been impressed with his articles in the Dwarf since he was recalled either honestly.

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I have had a subscription to W/D for over a decade ... I like the pretty pictures ... get a few ideas ... gives me something to look forward to  ...  :D   I've written off G/W awhile ago.  I don't plan on buying much from them unless they release more Epic ...  :)

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I have liked WD as a light reading (i.e. something to read after collapsing to an armchair after I've stuffed the company to their beds) for some time but recently the amount of advertisements has put me off. Maybe they have been there all along and I've just been blind but I just counted and the last issue had 44 pages of advertisements (or their equivalent) out of a total of 128 pages. When you subtract the LOTR articles as something I'm not interested in the page count is reduced significantly.

OTOH I do like the "pretty pics" and there is an occassional good background article or an inspired army list.

I really wish No Quarter would be a monthly magazine.

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(Mojarn Piett @ Nov. 27 2006,06:02)
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the last issue had 44 pages of advertisements (or their equivalent) out of a total of 128 pages. .

:O

Glad I don't bother with that mag anymore...

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:06 am 
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Yeah, just got Wd for the first time in an age and was amazed at how much was just marketing/thinly disguised adverts.  THe pictures were nice but that s the only thing going for it im afraid :(

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:08 am 
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I've never understood the split bewteen Sci Fi/Fantasy and Historical

Beards.  If you dont have one then its fantasy/sci-fi for you my boy!  :p

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:36 am 
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I think White Dwarf?s always had a lot of adverts.  It?s just that the propaganda has got rather more blatant I believe.
I cannot see any reason why I would want to buy it these days, even if the article quality was better.  If I want to read around the 40k universe I?d sooner buy a Black Library book.  Painting inspiration and tactical advice are found far more readily on the web.

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