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Tiding from SG about epic
CyberShadow
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:29 am 
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IMO it should have statred some time ago....


It did.  :;):  Just because there are no obvious signs, it doesnt mean that nothing is happening.

As I recall a few of us started some discussions about starting an epicomms set of rule amendments for EA about a year ago. However, members of the official EA rules committee then restarted the rules review process. It may not be happening at the speed desired by some, but it is happening.

In other words, talk of a Netepic Armageddon being necessary, completely overlooks the fact that it already exists. The only problem, is that I believe in the absence of Jervis it needs a new overall co-ordinator. Nealhunt is a candidate who springs immediately to my mind.

Exactly. And, wandering over to the EpiComms EA Rules Ammendments board, and who do we find as moderator...? Co-incidence? Conspiracy?  :D

Believe me guys, this is not a shock, and there are contingence plans. However, the reason for the delays is simply that I believe that starting a project such as this early will simply hasten the downfall of official Epic, and no-one wants that.

I think that the key fact about NetEpic is that it was begun long after the original game that it was based on (second edition) had faded.

There is no sense in dividing the community. If SG are facing up to the situation, then we should work with them as much as possible to support the game and keep the communty and players focussed.

Whatever happens, the future of Epic is secure here. It just remains to see how large a part SG will play in it.  :p

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:32 pm 
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Hi I'm not a designer but as a player I can say:

Long live to netepic!!!

Wellcome NetEpic:Armagedon!!

They are two differents game concepts, I'm sure that , with the time (more more time XDD ) We will have only one rules, a plus from NetEpic and Armageddon.

but if I must take only one core rules I want the best of netepic and the best of E:A.

So work on it designers and coordinators!!  :p

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 7:56 pm 
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(Hena @ Jul. 29 2006,01:56)
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The problem with non GW minis is ... that I cant get them :D. Nobody orders them here and I don't ave a credit card (not so long story really).

Edit: And proper looking minis is exactly the IP thing. I would like my rhinos to look rhinos and so on.

You could use Paypal with a Checking account too.  :;):

Serious, if you need help to get something you want, email me and let me know.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:00 pm 
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(CyberShadow @ Jul. 29 2006,03:29)
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However, the reason for the delays is simply that I believe that starting a project such as this early will simply hasten the downfall of official Epic, and no-one wants that.

This is an important point.

I am very open about how I feel about what I see, but that does not mean I WNT to kill off Epic and SG. I want them to keep going as long as GW will allow.

I just call them as I see them and thus I do point out the cancer I see working it's way through Epic and SG.

But I would be happy if GW woke up and infused SG with real power and resources and Epic grew etc.

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the reason for the delays is simply that I believe that starting a project such as this early will simply hasten the downfall of official Epic, and no-one wants that.


Maybe the key in this is not to "label" NE:A as a replacement for E:A, but just as it's natural growth.  

E:A is intended to be a living rule system.  Since SG has stated that it is now up to the volunteers and fans to proceed, I don't think doing so will kill E:A.

Just make it very clear that everything that is done is in support of E:A.  Maybe (highly unlikely) it will continue to show SG that E:A has a huge fan base.

As far as proxy minis, it might be time to face the reality that proxies are all you are going to get.  

I'm not saying to take some other APC and call it a Rhino, but we have Rhinos.  These can also easily be converted into Chaos Rhinos or Squat vehicles, or SOB tanks.  Use GW vehicles when you can, but they simply aren't willing to give us everything that we need.

If a certain member doesn't have a credit card to order non GW minis, maybe he could find another epicomms member he trusts or even a friend or relative with a credit card, give them the $$$ before hand and make purchases through them.

If you want it bad enough, there are ways.

I know I have been involved in a few threads regarding the creation of minis that would serve as proxies, but keep in mind, at 6mm, a mini can have ALOT of differences from someones IP and still be either modified or just painted to be what you want.

I guess it all boils down to how bad to you want "X" army?  If you want it badly enough, you may have to live with a few imperfections.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:54 am 
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(Evil and Chaos @ Jul. 28 2006,23:26)
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*Insert screams of woe and discordia here*


So, basically, NetEpic:Armageddon starts here?

It seems to me that the groundwork for Net E:A has already been laid. Look out how many people are involved with either tweeking the rules or trying to create new army lists. Plus, I'm sure it wouldn't take too much effort to get new recruits from the SG forum who aren't yet in the habit of considering this forum to be the true center of the 6mm universe.

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(dafrca @ Jul. 29 2006,20:00)
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(CyberShadow @ Jul. 29 2006,03:29)
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However, the reason for the delays is simply that I believe that starting a project such as this early will simply hasten the downfall of official Epic, and no-one wants that.

This is an important point.

I am very open about how I feel about what I see, but that does not mean I WNT to kill off Epic and SG. I want them to keep going as long as GW will allow.

I just call them as I see them and thus I do point out the cancer I see working it's way through Epic and SG.

But I would be happy if GW woke up and infused SG with real power and resources and Epic grew etc.

dafrca

Amen, brother dafrca. I agree wholeheartedly.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:00 am 
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(dafrca @ Jul. 29 2006,19:56)
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[Serious, if you need help to get something you want, email me and let me know.

The same goes for me, too. If there is anything I can do to help a fellow member in need, let me know.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:04 pm 
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(Hena @ Jul. 29 2006,09:56)
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Edit: And proper looking minis is exactly the IP thing. I would like my rhinos to look rhinos and so on.

Couldn't tempt you with the M113 family, or anything made by Alvis or FNSS?

(EDIT: Actually, if this is the average or extent of 6mm M113s, then stick with rhinos. :X ?That's definitely what I'd call an irregular miniature.)

If not, and if others feel the same: the reassurance about E:A and NE:A is all well and good, but will this be accompanied by the continued availability of at least the current E:A mini range? ?I personally wouldn't view ebay as an infinite resource.
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It seems to me that the groundwork for Net E:A has already been laid. Look out how many people are involved with either tweeking the rules or trying to create new army lists. Plus, I'm sure it wouldn't take too much effort to get new recruits from the SG forum who aren't yet in the habit of considering this forum to be the true center of the 6mm universe.


Totally agree DS, as far asI can see the only thing stopping the groundswell in rules tweaking/ army list dev etc is a lack of consensus.  While development of Net E:A may be premature I think that there needs to be some way of collating/tracking all the great development ideas here and coming to consensus on the favoured options in the absence of SG support.  Doing so gives community members greater ownership over the game and in turn should keep the hobby alive and vibrant till SG show greater interest.

To my mind if we want E:A to continue we need to send a message to SG that we are interesetd in what they are doing and if they invest in their range, we will buy minis from them.  While DRM is a fitting substitute for many 40k minis and a range that I am investing in, they simply cant capture the feel of SM or chaos that GW has developed over the years.

How can it be made clear to GW that if they are experiencing low sales, perhaps that could be partly due to the odd army releases they have made.  I mean the only "baddies" in the current range are the Orks- does it come as a surprise that many people choose to find proxies or buy older armies over Ebay?

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And I do thank the possibility to order stuff for me (dafrca and dwarf supreme), thank you. But there is more than enough to do with my current armies :). Ultras and fledgling titan legion. As well as need to add some touches to my older (and uglier) painted tyranids. Never mind doing something to my squats.

You are welcome. It is always nice to have options in your back pocket.

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(EDIT: Actually, if this is the average or extent of 6mm M113s, then stick with rhinos. :X  That's definitely what I'd call an irregular miniature.)


LOL, thankfully, there are much better alternatives out there for M113 models. Here is GHQ's version, and here is C-in-C's. Irregular figs are really cheap though, but lumps of metal squished with a pair of pliers should be!  :p

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Irregular figs are really cheap though, but lumps of metal squished with a pair of pliers should be! ?:p

My problem with Irregular is that they live up to their name. Some of their stuff is not bad and some is the worst the hobby has. Their stuff really is irregular in quality etc.

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Irregular figs are really cheap though, but lumps of metal squished with a pair of pliers should be! ?:p

My problem with Irregular is that they live up to their name. Some of their stuff is not bad and some is the worst the hobby has. Their stuff really is irregular in quality etc.

dafrca

By the way, feel the same about Scotia. Some great items in their Modern line, but it is a crap-shoot when it comes to quality etc.

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