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Post subject: How stupid can GW get?  Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:35 pm |
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Aye, here in the UK 3rd party retailers havn't had access to the SG range for several years I think.
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Post subject: How stupid can GW get? Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:39 pm |
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When I read the title I thought it was a rhetorical question.
All I can add is that GW is following the managers code to the letter.
"The higher up the manager gets the dumber they get." 
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Post subject: How stupid can GW get? Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:55 pm |
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Ilushia, here are a number of solutions:
- insert a 4-page Specialist Games booklet in main product boxes, leading to SG website and incidentally mentioning that rules, etc. are FREE.
- sell SG licence to an external company just for production and sale of miniatures, not art and background, which won't have to share the burden of bloated GW cost structure.
- guarantee access to most archive models, no matter the price (they just have to figure out their cost and define the price accordingly, for Heaven's sake!!) at least this will secure worried players that those games are going to last, even if it requires online orders.
- make one or two page of advertisement in every WD, cycling every game.
- have demo tables and prices in tournaments and GW-sanctioned events.
Like I wrote in my rant, if they wanted, they could. The hardest part for us is just that they don't want to build on SG. 
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Post subject: How stupid can GW get? Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 3:06 pm |
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| Quote (Ilushia @ 19 June 2006 (13:47)) | | While I really don't like the way that GW is going with Specialist Games... I kinda feel for them. |
I don't. Given its inane business practices, GW is getting exactly what it deserves.
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Post subject: How stupid can GW get? Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:30 pm |
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DRM ... as T/S said ... DRM ... 
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Post subject: How stupid can GW get? Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 5:39 pm |
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| Quote (Dwarf Supreme @ 19 June 2006 (08:06)) | | Quote (Ilushia @ 19 June 2006 (13:47)) | | While I really don't like the way that GW is going with Specialist Games... I kinda feel for them. |
I don't. Given its inane business practices, GW is getting exactly what it deserves. |
Amen Brother!
Seriously... GW has made the decision to focus on a selection of forces in it's two core lines with an idiotic foray into licenced merchandice with LotR.
Here in North America they've been focused on forcing retailers to carry only what GW wants them to carry and in the quantities they want them to carry.
Then they blame those same retailers for drops in sales of their product.
My local store built the market here over the last 25 years to the point where GW felt comfortable enough to open not one but two of their own stores.
Then they turned around and quite literally told the local outriders that they had to cut the weekly events that they held at the local store down to monthly as they were now "interfering" with the GW store's events...
GW seems to think it's Walmart now... and I for one can live without that kind of attitude. GW doesn't wan't my business?
Fine... I can certainly take it elsewhere. And the more older gamers they drive away the fewer new customers they'll get over the long run.
I say again... idjits.
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Post subject: How stupid can GW get? Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:35 pm |
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| Quote (Heresiarch @ 19 June 2006 (02:00)) | Here's a "laugh" for you all.
My local game store... a 14,000 sq feet store that stocks the entire GW line including SG and some FW... just informed me today that Games Workshop will no longer be selling Specialist Games minitures in blister packs once the existing stock of blisters runs out.
Instead, if a store is actually stupid enough to order them, they get a big ziploc back packed full of their shipment. And I do mean *a* bag. |
I know you have a lot of gaming industry contacts. Have you confirmed this with any other source?
Because that just sounds totally bizarre...
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Post subject: How stupid can GW get? Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:49 pm |
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| Quote (Ilushia @ 19 June 2006 (08:47)) | | I can honestly say if I were in their position you'd probably hate me even more. Since I'd do things like organize large-scale tournaments akin to Games Day, but only allow certain armies (Those who've had new Codex releases inside the last year or so) play. |
Yikes! I don't think I'd like that... But that's exactly what Wizards of the Coast did, didn't they...
Not sure that'd work so well for GW though. After all, you can still use old models with new codexes... people aren't (usually) going to buy all-new armies when a new one comes out...
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Post subject: How stupid can GW get? Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:10 pm |
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Well this certainly doesn't sound good 
However as Neal pointed out it'd be nice to have confirmation from multiple sources as this just way out there... even for GW 
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Post subject: How stupid can GW get? Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:18 pm |
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| Quote (nealhunt @ 19 June 2006 (13:35)) | I know you have a lot of gaming industry contacts. Have you confirmed this with any other source?
Because that just sounds totally bizarre... |
Bizarre does kind of sum it up doesn't it Neal?
In this particular case though no... I haven't confirmed it with any off my other old clients as of yet.
This is pretty much along the lines of... or one step past... what they've done here in Canada with the Battle of the Five Armies "blister packs".
The Bo5A figs were shipped in unsealed, plastic clamshell packaging. with no labelling other than a name and the GW barcode.
Those at least were labelled but the retailer was responsible for shrinkwrapping the packs themselves and then either had to find "hooks" to attach to the packs to allow them to be hung on the wall or store them in a case of somekind.
Looks like GW decided to save themselves the 5 cents on the clamshell this time.
As I mentioned this is a store that stocks *everything* GW sells in depth and I'm just repeating more or less verbatim what the purchaser was told by his GW rep.
It's absolutely totally asinine unless you look at it from the perspective that GW doesn't want the retailer to stock those and only stock their core games with the "dregs" being left for GW mail order to handle directly at a 1000% mark-up.
*shrug*
Maybe this is just a Canada specific "feature"... I would expect to hear PDQ if it isn't though.
Or for that matter if it is...
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Post subject: How stupid can GW get? Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:23 pm |
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Makes sense if they want to save money on blister packaging.
Makes no sense whatsever if they want to actually keep customers.
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Post subject: How stupid can GW get? Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:56 pm |
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Would love to know if you could confirm it.
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Post subject: How stupid can GW get? Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 9:58 pm |
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Just as a heads up I've asked one of my other old clients about this.
Evidently he's down to ordering SG now about once per month so he said "I'll get back to you" after he orders the next time.
He also said that his rep hasn't said anything specifically about this but he'll ask when he does his next order...
It'll probably be a couple of more weeks yet though.
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Post subject: How stupid can GW get? Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 10:34 pm |
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My FLGS hasn't ordered anything from SG in years, and has limited their 40K/WHFB/LOTR orders to only replacing existing stock as it sells. Thanks, GW-US!
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