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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:22 pm 
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Yeah I hear these stories about people with 10 year old brushes and I don't get it. I go through them as well. Its not a quality of brush thing either. $5 or $30 brush, it makes no difference so obviously the issue is with me, though damned if i know what I'm doing with it. I've personally standardized on Tamiya HF 6 brushes (by the bucket full) as they have the intersection of price and quality of tip that works for me. Anyways, we're getting off topic.

discussing metal and resin, how often do you all take your whole workshop apart and deep clean and organize everything?


No, no. To a large extent, it is the brush. I've been painting minis for 25 years now, and I have yet to discover why some brushes degrade so quickly and others seem to last forever. Over the years, however, I have found that my brushes last longer. I don't know, however, if that's because I have become more skilled at choosing good brushes, or because I take better care of them. Probably both. I definitely know which brands and which materials to avoid at this point.

I spend quite a lot of time selecting brushes when I do buy them. Even brushes made of the same material in the same size by the same manufacturer seem to vary a great deal in terms of durability. While at the store, I play with the points a little bit, check for frayed hairs, etc., and select the one that seems best.

I'd say my average utility brush (of which I have four or five in different sizes) lasts for about two years at this point, although I've had one or two for five or maybe more.

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 Post subject: Re: Lead in miniatures
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:37 pm 
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I have to agree that the right brush, with good care can last years. I use W&N series 7 miniature brushes and keep them clean/conditioned with 'The Masters brush cleaner and preserver'. When you see the amount of paint this stuff removes, even after a good wash in a cup of water, you can understand why brushes degrade over time. Also, quality hair brushes need conditioning like our own hair, do this and they will perform better and last longer. Advert over :whistle

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 Post subject: Re: Lead in miniatures
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:14 pm 
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I don't think you're getting my point. Sure a good brush can last years. I buy good brushes of all types. However, for some reason I seem to kill them (a few months of them being awesome then it's all downhill from there). Obviously it's me but damned if I can figure out what I am doing that causes them to hook! :D I should add that I stick to synthetics as I prefer their action (or better put, I'm so used to them after 3 decades that I've developed techniques that work with them, hooks and all).

I do need to try out the brush cleaner for my sable however

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 Post subject: Re: Lead in miniatures
PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:42 pm 
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Nice! I get through brushes like there's no tomorrow however carefully I look after them.

Ditto. Despite my best efforts my brushes usually lose their tips pretty quickly.

As for handling lead minis, I haven't heard of anyone having health problems from handling them. That's not to say it's not possible, but I would imagine it would take actually swallowing them or inhaling lots of lead dust.

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Commander Sims wrote:
'The Masters brush cleaner and preserver'.
Yep, that's what I use as well. Cleans and lets you shape the bristles up again.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:25 am 
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*heads off to search for the 'master brush cleaner'.......


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:50 am 
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Here's were I got mine
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Curtisward-Ltd/_i.html?_kw=masters&_kw=brush&_kw=cleaner&_sid=93678805

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Reedar wrote:
*heads off to search for the 'master brush cleaner'.......


Best stuff ever. Don't know how I ever hobbied before it. Its saved many of my 10+ year old GW brushes, my favorite synthetic brush (which hooked after painting about 100 night goblins) and has kept my series 7 brushes in almost mint condition, which is surprising as Ive done more painting in the last 3/4 months then I have probably done in total since Ive started playing warhammer in the mid 90's, and the brush was already just shy of a year old.

My GW drybrushes bled out old paint for what felt like an hour after its first cleaning with the stuff. It even got one of the to have a point again (that state of the other one is still questionable, but as the are GW golden year antiques, I don't want to replace them!)

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 Post subject: Re: Lead in miniatures
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At least some of Vallejo's paints are clearly marked as containing cadmium, a substance I'd strongly recommend that you don't put in your mouth if you value your kidneys.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:00 am 
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Karegak wrote:
At least some of Vallejo's paints are clearly marked as containing cadmium, a substance I'd strongly recommend that you don't put in your mouth if you value your kidneys.


And now you tell me :D... I Better get in line to get new kidney them

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I just read the vallejo info:


MODEL COLOR AND GAME COLOR
In Modelcolor and Game color , the object is not to bring out the quality of the pigment itself as in Artists' Colors, but to use pigment for matching existing shades of uniforms, medieval or modern, weaponry, military vehicles of all kinds, and fantasy figures modern and ancient. Sometimes more than a dozen pigments are employed to achieve the most perfect match possible. In our colors for Models and Miniatures, Cadmium Calcinated Zinc Sulphide and Cadmium Sulphoselenide are present in some of the basic colors and in even lesser percentage in mixtures of the 300 plus shades. All are certified as ASTM D4236- No Health Labelling Required, and projected is in addition the EN71-3 certification, as well as a new label design which will make it feasible to list the most important pigments contained in the colors.


So no health risk really

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:13 am 
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That is probably due to the low concentrtion in combination with the paints not being intended as food. The problem with cadmium however is that it doesn't leave the body so if you keep adding it the concentration in your body goes up.


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 Post subject: Re: Lead in miniatures
PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:57 am 
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I haven't got a good gw brush in years. When I recently came back to painting two years ago I purchased seven gw brushes, the first two where awesome for a little bit then died the next five lost bristles or frayed within the first couple days. After that I won't buy cheap gw brushes anymore.


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