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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 9:31 pm 
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Hi! i have recently finished building my RT fleet. As some of my units are conversions, i ask you (oh most enlightened spaceship painters  :) ) about some advice as to how to paint my vessels. Here is one picture of them:



The vessel in the left side is a RT armed cargo vessel, the center piece is an scratch-built xenos vessel(it actually looks better than in the photo), which i don't have any idea about how to paint. The model at the right side is an scratch-built RT cruiser. This model has some basic painting, but i would be glad i someone could give some advice as to how to paint it , or even how to add pieces to make it look "better". The idea is that this RT cruiser is an starship from the Dark Age of Technology.

Also, a friend of mine has recently bought a pair of Bastion class cruisers. He is also seeking advice about how to paint them (and i know there's no better place than this forum to talk about Demiurgs).

Here it is an epic-looking photo with both our models from our second battle. I name it "clash of titans" :D



And here is another one, showing also my recomissioned vessel squadron:



I tried to make them look extremely old, even rusty, but i think they are maybe a bit too dark?

Any advice would be extremely appreciated

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 7:13 am 
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I can't believe that no one is able to give us advice! not even Xisor!!

Well, this afternoon we start playing a campaign in a shop. Maybe these will be our first and LAST campaign battle as the shopkeeper began to complain about the use of an scratchbuilt starship as an RT cruiser just AFTER i paid the inscription :angry: (& he knew about it since two MONTHS ago)





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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:47 pm 
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Oi! I only just noticed this...sorry!

Anyhow, I'd probably advocate something roughly similar to the main Imperial BFG Designs. As seen in the main rulebook, a the ships with the 'grey' hulling look quite nice, but the style of this ship doesn't look *quite* cathedrally[gothic] enough to warrant that styling. The smaller escorts would be fine in this manner though[cargo vessel].

So, that leaves Mr Xenos and Mr RTC himself.

Xenos: You can really experiment with those. As seen with the Nicassar Dhows in Amada, just paint 'em however you feel! By the looks of it though, it has a sort of Star-Trekkie Warp Nacelle[sp?] to it. Perhaps some 'flat' light greys and metals on it with some really contrasting bright reds and blues for details?

Rogue Trader Cruiser: If you feel up to doing it, you could probably paint in alot of details on the larger surfaces[ie round the cylindery bits], whilst the main prow gun/thing would do well as a slightly varied colour. Perhaps even doing the little 'lightning' effects on the prow bit to make it look suitably 'uber-tech'. With that ship there's alot of opportunity to do 'early Imperial' or simply 'advanced Human'[as it would have been ~DAoT time], so again perhaps something more akin to the schemes you use on the smaller Xenos vessel?


Now, , the Demiurg!
Loks nice so far. Though I think I may have overdone the 'little lights' details on my own, I find they really add 'just a bit more' to the Demiurg Vessels, seen here:


It's basically simply 'dabbing' some bleached bone[or another colour that you find works, it's not especially difficult, which is a very good thing IMO] on the little raised 'rectangles'. As they say, Demiurg Ships are heavily automated, so if each of those is, say, some sort of viewing port, only a handful are going to actually have Demiurg working in them, so keeping it sparse[more so than I did] would likely work better.

In addition, I found that before doing the above, if you give them a quick ink wash of, say, Chesnut Ink[whatever works best for you really] gives it a nice 'industrial gritty shine', almost like a very dull brass or copper. As suggested in Armada, go for the 'industrial' look with the Demiurg. They're basically armoured and armed factories, so they should look 'well used'. I'm not a fan of 'unreal' colours on them though. By that I mean having patches of blue, red, green etc on them, but RayB has made them look okay with them[though I'd still repaint them different shades of grey on his models!].

As you said: Extremely old and rusty. It's a good way to go. The little highlighting of the 'lights' on them does alot to alleviate the 'darkness' of them, as does the inkwash[the ink can still catch the light].

Hope that helped!

[If you need a further peek at the ships, with a different angle, they should be here: http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b264/Xisor/?start=20 ]

Xisor

EDIT: The little 'red' spot in the picture isn't a sign of hypocracy on my part, it's blazing orange painted onto what looks like 'engine' outlets or manouvering thrusters, they can be seen a bit better in this photo:






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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 9:48 pm 
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Thank you very much, Xisor! your answer will help us a lot with the bastions (Well, the bastion & the garrison, as we finally managed to get into a campaign using a demiurg fleet... using YOURS list!!!). Anyway i have two questions about your stronghold:

-What is it's base colour? ours is (at least so far)black, but it seems yours is an extremely dark grey, maybe?

-Where is that ship deployed over? your knee :cool: ??

Also, it happened that the shopkeeper where we had begun campigned has given (and i mean given, not sold!) some bits to "gothificate" my ship a bit. I feel that now i'll have to buy him a GW's RT cruiser... anyway, i will have to put more bits and details to my ship (whose name is "Blessed Voyager"), so it'll take some time before i repaint it.


And about the xenos vessel: yeah, it has something resembling warp drives, but the lines of the ship are more twisted, maybe even organic. I inspired in the alien vessel from "Alien: the eighth passenger", although it hasn't that boomerang-type structure. I tried to paint it with sand colour and a brown ink, but the result was...almost disgusting. I will have to try your colour scheme idea.





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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:04 pm 
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Ah, good to know folks find the list passable at least!

The basecoat on that was simply a thick coat of some dark brown colour[I can't remember the name, Scorched Brown maybe?]. It means the chesnut doesn't look too different upon it. Perhaps trying a little patch on the Bastion with Chesnut Ink over a Darker Grey?

Yes, it was over my knee... :(8:

Xenos: Take a look at the ships from B5 A Call to Arms-
http://www.mongoosepublishing.com/home/ ... sSeries=28

Specifically, the Narn ships may be something more similar. That or the Vorlons!

As for the "Blessed Voyager", gothifying it does seem fine. As for a proper Rogue Trader cruiser, they're a wee bit blander than the normal cruisers as models, but I still like them. They feel a wee bit more 'advanced' than the others, but a nice bit different. [I bought two on an impulse during a rather boring Computer Science lecture last year!]

As an aside: Any specific feedback on the Demiurg list? Anything else you'd like to see on them?

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 10:19 pm 
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About the list itself... you have some typos in the fleet list (Garrisons ships cost is stated as 450 point, ocupying the place of the citadel class, which isn't even mentioned. More bizarre is that there is a "siege" class, which seems to be the garrison). Aside from that, it would be nice to state if the demiurgs ship in campaign get leadership modifiers or not, i mean, it seems to me that they have a leadership based on their type and damage, and it's not modified because of extreme damage nor battle experience, but the list doesn't state anything about it. Outside of the list, i would like to see some drawings of demiurg escorts, as i'm eager to build some for my friend (have i told you that the demiurgs are not mine?).

Also, i'm wondering about buying some irregular miniature's alien ships to make up my xenos vessel squadron, as presently i have only 2 miniatures & i must have 6 for the campaign...

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2006 11:04 pm 
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Re the list itself: Try this. It's v3.4, and I checked and it seems to have cleared up everything except for the Ld modifiers, which I hadn't even thought about.

I agree with your reasoning: Demiurg shouldn't be getting a Ld benefit from length of time in Campaigns. The idea is they're a bit more accustomed to what they do. They start off as immensely capably, and can't really get much better[I'll have to remember to put that in!]

Regarding the Escorts: The Buttress is simply the 'Xenos' ship from the Rogue Trader Escort box! Now, you can't tell me it doesn't have the exact same profile of the rest of the Commerce Vessels!

The Rampart is a bit more difficult[and expensive], but it's basically the Defence monitor without the Prow of the ship[the back looks remarkably Demiurg-like!]. I'll try and put out a few sketches at somepoint, but my ability is rather...limited...

With the other ships: Normally for GW 'official' events, it's likely that non-GW minis won't be allowed[though scratchbuilds are fine], but generally they should be fine, and they always tend to look the part too!

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On alien ships, think alien. Do not think human in terms of colours.

Hope that helps....

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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 10:38 pm 
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It's a bit difficult for me not to think as a human. Maybe it's beacuse i have been one for too much time...

No, seriously, thank you for your advice, although i still have no idea about how to paint the scrath built xenos vessel. It's colour scheme is becoming a headhache for me!

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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 7:31 am 
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They are not flashy ships like the Eldar so don't do Bright colours.

Make a weird camo scheme pattern. Or lots metal colours. Dark blues and greens.

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PostPosted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:20 pm 
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Dark blues and greens... maybe... i have to try that idea. Thank you for your input, blackhorizon.

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