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dafrca	Post subject: Epic Lounge updates - Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2004 9:45 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 6:02 pm Posts: 10956 Location: Burbank, CA, USA	Quote (Jimbo @ 10 2004 Oct.,06:35) Quote (Warmaster Nice @ 10 2004 Oct.,13:46) How much do you have to alter a basic design for it to no longer be copyright infringement? 100% From the GW website PLEASE NOTE that any work you create using our intellectual property is not "owned" by you. It is called a "derivative work" and those parts based upon our IP do not give rise to their own copyright. Please bear this in mind when using our IP. however even if it is all your own work and looks like the original then you would still be infringing copyright also don't forget that a lot of GW icons and logos are in fact trademarks and are covered by trademark law which is something else to IP and copyright. And in th USA, keep in mind Trademark laws are stronger, harsher on those who violate them, and do not expire, ever. It is not hard, relativly speaking, to challange a copyright in court. The reason it does not happen more often is cost. Trademarks on the other hand are much harder to crack. dafrca _________________ "Every Man is a But Spark in the Darkness"               - Cities of Death, page 59 Come fight me, if you dare...... http://dd-janks.mybrute.com

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Jimbo	Post subject: Epic Lounge updates - Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:32 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex	Quote (Freshmetal @ 10 2004 Oct.,21:14) From what I've read, it seems that as they realise that fans want to make websites regarding their stuff, the most important aspect is making sure you aren't claiming any GW-owned stuff from them is yours. As long as you respect their IP and credit them, I think there shouldn't be a problem. Respect their IP means in GW words don't use their IP. You can not use their images, photographs. logos on your website, period, even with credit. _________________ Jimbo Felix's Gaming Pages Felix's Gaming Pages Blog Almost Always Right...
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Markconz	Post subject: Epic Lounge updates - Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 9:47 am
Purestrain Joined: Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:43 pm Posts: 7925 Location: New Zealand	Quote (Jimbo @ 11 2004 Oct.,09:32) Quote (Freshmetal @ 10 2004 Oct.,21:14) From what I've read, it seems that as they realise that fans want to make websites regarding their stuff, the most important aspect is making sure you aren't claiming any GW-owned stuff from them is yours. As long as you respect their IP and credit them, I think there shouldn't be a problem. Respect their IP means in GW words don't use their IP. You can not use their images, photographs. logos on your website, period, even with credit. But... but... I use their logos on my epic page... and used to have catalogue pics as well...   ... they even put a link to my site on their Specialist games page, so I doubt they mind me using their logos toooo much!! Hey its free advertising. I think what the lawyers write in the fine print and what the actual sensible practice is, are two different things. _________________ http://hordesofthings.blogspot.co.nz/
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Warmaster Nice

Post subject: Epic Lounge updates - Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:05 am

Brood Brother Joined: Tue Sep 30, 2003 9:15 pm Posts: 7948 Location: Denmark

I think what the lawyers write in the fine print and what the actual sensible practice is, are two different things. True. One thing is definitely what they in principle has to do to everybody. However you simply had to move your site to a new server or URL and they'd have to start all over which just isn't practical. I suppose they do send a couple of mails out every now and then to people who are way out of line. Just to make an example and show that they are in fact enforcing their IP policy. But it is more or less impossible to police the entire net. ... oh, and you're absolutely right: many of the fan sites deliver more great original material and inspiration than GW has the manpower or resources to do. They are very well aware of the free advertizement these sites deliver. Cheers! _________________ Sofa General Nobody expects the Inquisition!!! http://theepiclounge.wordpress.com/

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Jimbo	Post subject: Epic Lounge updates - Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:46 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 11:01 pm Posts: 3495 Location: Wessex	I doubt Specialist Games mind, but I suspect their IP lawyer would mind... As for Hey its free advertising. this is not a valid defence... I think your final comment I think what the lawyers write in the fine print and what the actual sensible practice is, are two different things.

is actually a sensible answer in many respects.

Remember a lot of what I am saying is either my interpretation of UK copyright law (and I do know a bit about US law as well).

On my own website I have some GW logos for different sections, ie Epic:A and Warmaster.

I do not use GW artwork or photographs on my website, I only use photographs I have taken or have been submitted to me.

The only exception is when reviewing particular items (these reviews usually happen on my blog) when I may use a GW image as part of that review.