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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:00 pm 
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Not really rumor though. GW announced it publicly on the Warhammer app. I mean it's pretty hard to call that a rumor! ;D

http://taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/view ... 7&start=44

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:37 pm 
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I'm leaning towards if we see anything it will be a stand alone box set, bear little or no resemblance to EA, and will possibly be limited to Marine v Marine, same pose and variation for both sides. One new plastic infantry sprue, one plastic vehicle sprue.

Might be a nice portal to 'proper' EA or at least provide a bundle of additional figures. Sales projections may take into account the existing Epic community buying up sets to furnish armies for EA.

Given the quality of the latest DiD releases I'll still be supporting Moredakka and Vanguard miniatures as I want them to still be there after the GW flash in the pan has come and gone (if it happens at all).


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:19 pm 
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Yes I suspect the variety of Guardsmen in the DiD range won't be beaten by GW and I doubt we'll see the variety available in the Onslaught range as well from them.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:45 pm 
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jimmyzimms wrote:
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Actually, check that. I hate the new 're-imaged' look of the Horus Heresy marines. Not that they had to remain the beakies that I grew up with, but I really don't like the marines in the new Horus Heresy boardgame.

Ummm all those patterns were designed back in the Rogue Trader days. I know, I had them and thunder warriors to boot. Not saying you have to like them, just they're not new whatsoever. Actually I think the positive response to FW HH work has been the exact fact that they created modernized old RT era models and designs. [shrugs]


If you are talking about vehicles, referring to Patterns, then yes many of those do look like the originals, which I am happy with. What I mean are these guys:

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Those are NOT the original RT style marines. They are modeled after the Mk 7s. I am referring to these:

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Its the beakie marines that are shown throughout SM1 Horus Heresy. Mk 7s did come out before RTs end, but that was more for the next generation of Marines.

Again, not saying they had to be exactly like the originals, but I am really not fond of the new 'reimaged' ones.


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 Post subject: Re: Return of specialist games
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 6:59 pm 
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Yeah I know the beakies are the original model in RT but that's not what I'm saying. GW produced and DID make Mk1-5 models during Rogue Trader IN ADDITION. Hell, I still have the WD that even had their "history of power armour" that went with the releases. Not trying to get into a pissing match, just that FW mined old 20 year old RT era models for all those heresy marines they make now (including beakies) and didn't invent ANY of that. :P

Oh look! thought the power of search engines I can post pictures too! here's Mk 1,2, 3, & 5 power armor all from 1st edition. Hrmmm ... nope. No FW inventions there.
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Now you don't have to like those armours. You don't have to like FW's take on them either. But they are absolutely O.G.
You're 100% right though, Beakies ARE the best! :D

anyways back on topic

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 Post subject: Re: Return of specialist games
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:12 pm 
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Gotcha. Now flip thru the SM1 rulebook and please point out how many of those revision models you see. Thats the bible of the heresy, and anything after it is a revision. I know GW went back and made different versions, I am not disputing that, I just dislike the new forge world models, which are, based on revisioned models.

Thats all I am trying to say. Really hate that new face plate. Or rather, the old one, they made new again.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:12 pm 
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jimmyzimms wrote:
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Note, the use of the many and various army lists is a completely different thing! Apart from the core lists, these have all been created (and thus 'owned') by us! ;)

nope. 100% derivative work. we don't own anything. technically they're in the green if they told us to take it down. It's not worth it to do it and too easy to be cheeky and do things like call the Rhino a Unicornis and they can't do squat (har har) about it.


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 Post subject: Re: Return of specialist games
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:31 pm 
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There's been a lot of revisions btw. Like on the back of the Adeptus Titanicus box, it mentions the Blood Drinkers Space Marine chapter I think. But later on, they decide only 18 or so chapters were involved in the heresy and the Blood Drinkers weren't one of them. And I am not even sure the original rules Heresy story even mentions those as being the only ones involved. I always got the impression there were others, but just not focused on. I can't remember. But I know the story has evolved and been tweaked if not overhauled in some places. Its just that since I was into the game at the time it was all relatively new, I have seen these changes happening and been like, come on...

Not to mention the Marines on the cover of the Adeptus Titanicus box are waving a Fire Wasps banner, and have the order's emblem on their shoulder pads. . . so I guess at some point the Titan Legions had their own marines? Well, I guess it depends on which era you follow. It can be hard to keep up with the ever-evolving story.


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Char B1 bis wrote:
Been messin' with Epic from '91 to '03 and now back in 2014.

With all the stuff out there now, couldn't care less about new GW product or their company.

They pissed me off for good many years ago.

Actually I am pissed at myself for falling for their shell game for so long.

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My stance as well.

Given other alternatives and their recent trends with what they consider "rules design", I have no enthusiasm whatsoever.

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Yes, a remake of the Heresy box with simplified rules sounds like the most plausible alternative. Would be funny if they went with 10 mm instead though :D


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Just remember if it does happen, I said it first and have so for years. A remake of epic in 10mm is just too "GW" for them to pass it up. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Return of specialist games
PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:32 pm 
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Did Jervis or someone at GW ever say that they were interested in doing Epic in 10mm?


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Steve54 wrote:

Best case IMO is that Epic gets a box set at some point with some plastics and that helps generate an influx of players interested in Epic.


This.


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primarch wrote:
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Yes, a remake of the Heresy box with simplified rules sounds like the most plausible alternative. Would be funny if they went with 10 mm instead though :D


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Just remember if it does happen, I said it first and have so for years. A remake of epic in 10mm is just too "GW" for them to pass it up. ;)

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In all fairness, my comment was not the first of its kind even in this thread. And I doubt that it requires much imagination regarding the rather obvious modus operandi that we have all loved to hate for so long to arrive at this conclusion. Whatever it is, it will be simple.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:39 am 
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S'Cipio wrote:
A new release of Epic by GW *will* bring in new players. New as in new; players you've never met before whom you'd never have a chance to introduce to your favorite alternate rules or miniatures otherwise.

Once they are into 6mm and playing EA, then you can introduce them to other systems and alternate miniature manufacturers if you like.

A new release of EPIC is a good thing, if it actually happens, no matter what you think of GW.


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