This is the frustrating thing about the rumours for SG returns - AT we hear is going to be a titan focused game in a new scale...

But Blood Bowl from what we gather is sticking very close to the original / fan rules:

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/1165

So - it will be interesting to see if AT is successful, will they then do an "EPIC" series that is still close to the Armageddon ruleset that we use?

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Would it be wrong of me to suggest they've changed the scale of the board to ensure old range rules and other such things are just slightly incompatible?

I think board size has been increased to fit the new bigger minis on. I have to say i don't think this is un reasonable : "crisis, game co updates a 20 year old game and some plastic template are out of date". After all, the box will include all the bits along with the rules and it seems all the team sizes and positions are unchanged so everyone can use their old painted teams. What really needs updating are the old slow ponderous rules, which while revolutionary in the 90s now seem a little of their time.

Lets not try to find unreasonable fault with a company which finally seems to be doing what everyone has wanted for 10 years!

At least wait until its released and your worst fears are realised at least ! ;-)


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Then we can disagree. Plenty of game companies make backwardly compatible components, rules, or features to assist the utility of older collections. GW makes a habit of precisely the opposite and people forgiving this is why they continue such frustratingly obnoxious, unnecessary behavior.

GW is first and foremost a figures company, rules come a poor third (or lower) in their priorities.
I suggest that profit and then figures are the driver here. The only question then becomes whether AT is intended to be a one-off money-maker, or a vehicle to generate sales of other figures (if sales warrant such expansion).

Sorry, im not getting personal. I have my gripes with gw like everyone but the level of cynicism on this thread is ridiculous.

I do have to completely disagree on compatibility. I still use my epic space marine, guard and titan armies, much of which was purchased over 20 years ago. By the sounds of it much of it will be possible in the new version (with some allowance made for scale). By the looks of it i will be able to use my BB orks in the new version - 23 odd years old. If i still had them i could use my space marine and eldar 40k armies now, probably not competitive but usable.

If this is not back-compatibility what is?

People get upset about the rules, then upset if they change them. They moan when they don't keep the specialist games going, then they moan when they are not exact reprints of the old versions. This would be ok if they got upset when they had played the new rules and they were poor, but BB and AT are months from publication at the moment and by the sounds of it they ARE virtual reprints.

What could gw do that would actually make the interwebs happy?? :-D



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I will say that I am happier with GW than I have been for about a decade.

There's a lot of fan pleasing stuff that I never thought they'd do, even if it's just in 28mm for now:

-Even though it's yet more space marine stuff - Deathwatch is something I've wanted to see done for a while.
-Adeptus Mechanicus likewise, a long awaited Imperial release that offers tonnes of bits for Inquisimunda kitbashers.
-Horus Heresy stuff in plastic, and now Adeptus Custodes.
-Genestealer cults, not just in a boardgame but now as a mini Codex release.
-Knights; even though they're a bit of a ridiculous super unit, the fact that they are updated and folded into the modern fluff seems to be a really nice salvaging of something from the Titan Legions era.
-All of the board games - they suggest a really sincere desire to create "big boxes" for birthday or Christmas presents as "portal games" for kids to tear them away from screen time and chop and glue and make a mess of painting things and make up their own rules just as I did with Heroquest / Space Crusade years ago.

That we are getting... ANYTHING explicitly "Specialist Games" related is mind blowing for me. Blood Bowl is a call back to an era with a real sense of humour and fun.

In an ideal world, Warmaster would be re-released tomorrow with all plastic kits from The World That Was but alas...

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And as a final thought on the BB template/pitch issue. As the pitch is the same number of squares high and wide, and as best i can tell the range ruler is the same banding, everyone can keep their old pitches and templates and use them together as an alternative for nostalgic games with their old minis.

And i can almost guarantee that there will be a section in the rule book encouraging you to use your existing "classic" miniatures, as there has been in 2nd ed BB and 3rd and 4th ed epic.

Those utter bar-stewards eh!?


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I agree with Ginger. And many times I'm not too pleased with many of their minis as well. But as always, Do what works for you .... not me ...

I know sometimes when discussion about GW comes about. Some like GW/FW ... some don't ...

If your wife or gal asks you if she looks fat in a dress ... she may not like the answer. But I'd think here ... well ... we should be above that. I could be wrong ...

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Goodness, how DARE I suggest that I'm wary of GW as a company? I'm sorry my opinion has wrinkled so many noses. I'll report for kool-aid and rainbows treatment in the morning.

Most of us have been around the block long enough to be wary of trusting GW to please the old guard. I'm with you in that one!

That said I'm not sure what the issue is with Blood Bowl - so they are changing the board size, and this is a problem because the pieces of acetate that came in the original box won't be usable for the new game? And instead you'll have to use the new ones they supply? That does seem to be a bit unfair on them, if one isn't prepared to change anything I would imagine they aren't actually interested in a new release at all.

Or is it more that there are other things we don't yet know about the game and you are wary that they might have changed other more important things just for laughs?

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If I show up to a game, with my lovingly tended-to team from previous versions, my ruler won't work with a new board and a new ruler won't work with an old board and it seems just -petty- to change that factor. The group I used to play in didn't like to share dice, range rulers or other tokens, so maybe the Blood Bowl issues are unique to me. It feels like they're changing just enough to require someone get a whole box for one or two updated bits. Someone can teach me the new rules, I can use my own team, but the known incompatibility of the accessories just reminds me that they can, will and DO arbitrarily change things for no positive reason beyond 'buy this new thing'.

I realise they want to sell stuff, but I'd have been more inclined to want to buy the new box [of a game that I absolutely love] if it didn't feel like they were trying so hard by tweaking trivial stuff to make it unusable.

To be honest, it's less a "Blood Bowl sucks because..." issue, and far more a case of cumulative weariness from most things from Age of Sigmar to date. They've worn down my patience and increasingly remind me that I'm not the intended audience any more. Ah well, at least Dropfleet Commander ships this month!

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This thread still alive? Sheesh...

GW is about one thing and one thing only. Money.

That is neither a bad thing or an intrinsically faulty pursuit for a company to have.

GW's problem is that they haven't had a truly forward thinking business plan is at least a decade.

Instead of looking at their IP and figuring out an innovative way to exploit it, all they do is rehash the same old thing where they change it just enough to make the previous version, if not incompatible, at least annoying to use.

There is no reason to do an AT rehash in 8mm. Unless its to make sure your 6mm looks "funny" when using it against 8mm.

There is no reason to change the pitch in BB, unless you want to make sure its inconvenient enough to make players get the new one.

Of late GW seems to have been trying to revert many of the old trends. Trying to actually listen and perhaps address some of its many concerns.

This doesn't erase however the many years of "crap" preceding the current "change of heart".

In my case its been 20 years since I haven't given them the time of day.

Releasing a titan on titan game with rules similar to what I already own (AT1) with models in a different scale isn't gaining them any traction from me.

Release a FULL epic line that is compatible with the previous stuff and THEN, I'll pay attention.

All else is just noise.

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