Sure you do. You try to make the path into buying the rules as easy as possible while making the rules as incompatible as possible. You make the rules a "well a look can't hurt" type purchase while making the rules as much of a pain to convert to existing ranges as humanly possible. That's all completely doable without any excessive effort on the designers part. If the rules hark back to older sets and don't seem utterly ridiculous (and better yet, have people playing them around release) then just a few new models won't hurt? Right?


I predict the 8mm scale means 10mm (actual size) marines, 8mm eldar/guard infantry. Just the right amount of larger to look very off when compared to current models, for no practical reason outside of breaking prior purchase whatsoever.

Umm, I would reckon that the current group of Epic players at 1500 worldwide, based on a rough calculation of 10* the number of posters on this forum. (+/- 500). Not really a 'huge' market, nor really enough to even worry about considering.

IMO the 'scale' thing is really to differentiate with other manufacturers, nothing to do with existing GW stuff. (And anyway GW has not presented a consistent scale with their kit to-date have they, quite apart from the statement about 'proxies' in the current E:A rules)

I suspect the more detailed rules is a actually a move more towards a 40K game with titans, to tap into that particular market - lets face it, there have been several attempts to do this. Personally, I would be interested in seeing whether we could amalgamate these kind of titan details into the E:A rules - again, something that has been attempted in the past . . . .

That said, I do not envisage buying any of this stuff - unless there is very significant interest in my immediate gaming group (which is extremely unlikely).

Current doesn't equate to people with significant prior collections, which could be many times higher. It's wrong to assume current players represent the entire prior market that GW might wish to invalidate.

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I've not been part of GW's target group since 1997. Epic at this point is so far removed from the higher up minds that the existing player base is insignificant for them as far as making decisions go.

Personally, I haven't cared about GW in 19 years. If I can get some nice rules ideas from this new set, I'll call it a win and move on.

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There's one thing to remember. The Epic situation won't get worse, it can only improve with this release.

If the new AT is good and/or can be shoehorned into existing Epic, great! That's more stuff for this site, these players, and the community.

If the new At isn't good and/or can't be shoehorned into existing Epic, so what? That changes nothing for this site, these players or the community.

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And once again ... it comes down to do what works for you ... No one/GW is not going to send the =][= to your house if you don't buy ...

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I'm pretty pessimistic on this point (and ill probably still buy the new game). GW being more active in the epic area may well be damaging to the community.

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I am loving the debate and discussion but I think the key points for me are:-

a) Does it matter to us at all? We are very well supported for 6mm items on the market at the moment
b) the whole discussion is based around us not knowing the scale. If it doesnt suit see above, if it does, great.

I may get burned for this Heresy but I am actually slightly hopeful for this. Not from the point of view that it will assist me in playing Epic as is, but more because the last few box sets they have released seem to be pretty good. I have all I need for E:A, but maybe consider adding a game to my collection.

And even if there is a slight scale difference would it matter. I have played many different games with the "wrong" scale (Bolt action using 1/72) and as long as the scale is close and the model sizes are consistent on the table (both forces all the same scale) it doesn't matter. Its only counters to represent forces

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I totally agree with a) ... and b) it's almost 99% it going to be 8mm. Which as I have said before really won't be that big a deal for vehicles and even Titans.

And I have all the Epic [as well as other 6mm sci-fi] I need since doing it since '90 ... So it won't change my outlook at all. Also if you want to know what some of the new models may look like ... go to the FW site. I'd think. For me I don't like some of their "new" versions of some of the new Infantry and vehicles. But since I'm not interested in buying "8mm New Epic" ... it's not at all a game changer for me. But do what works for your own individual tastes and predilections ... This is a NO =][= Zone ...

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But how so?

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Where on the sight has specific pics of their new AT stuff?

Unless you're just talking about looking at their stuff in general, then using the mind's eye to see it in a smaller scale.

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Meh there's still a heavy Rogue Trader community (in fact a resurgence). We'll be fine. I personally doubt this will be anything but a flash in the pan in comparison to Blood Bowl and an assumed to be forthcoming starship game (which is criminal that they didn't have one when the HH books got to the Battle of Phall). The straight dope is that GW/FW missed the boat with XWing, Armada/Halo Fleet and from all indications soon to be Dropfleet (if KS $ are to be believed), and of course Halo Ground/Planetfall/Drop Zone all being well received and entrenched player base (old biz axiom that it's easier to keep a customer than win/take a customer). People already committed to the GW/FW "sphere of influence" will in all likelihood remain. Those that are not or have left, likely will remain so.

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my 2 pence:

recruitment of new players to EA will most likely be tougher due to the 'big shiny' effect, lots of people play GW games do so to use the models (I mean their core rules are pretty awful compared to most other rulesets out there, even the EA rules are *full* of annoying holes and vague wording which drives me MAD sometimes, this is not to say they aren't fun and enjoyable, but their rules are hardly groundbreaking or elegant) and AT will almost certainly have a bigger player base due to it being on display in white dwarf and in stores, people who want to get into the small-scale stuff will be shepherded into AT as there will be more people talking about it

we also have to be aware that GW may get territorial and begin asking people to stop hosting the EA rules on places like the net-armageddon and epicuk sites, which again removes a resource that it's easy to point people at and say 'download the rules here'. People are less likely to get into the hobby when they have to start emailing people they don't know for rules

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See, this, if anything, is the true worry about the new AT. I'm not concerned at all if AT is good or not, Epic will grind on in it's limited but stable fashion. But if GW specifically stops its from grinding on, then that's that. I can't see them doing that, but they've done similar things in the past. We'll see if they start attacking Blood Bowl sites later this summer.

Unless the new AT is absolute garbage (and I mean absolute and total, a few nitpicks here and there aren't going to deter me, like AoS) I'll be getting into it if I can afford it, even if GW hammers down on what's left of Epic. And that's not about being disloyal or happy for it to happen or anything vile like that, I just want something that I can have fun with. I don't get to play any Epic anyway, but still love the little armies--at least I'm confident I will get to play even a little bit of AT when it comes out.

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There is some risk for the community having GW involved again. I have grown fond of their absence and the fans filling the gaps in multiple ways.

Frankly, given their track record, I do see this new game being successful commercially anyway. This is a "one and done" product in my view.

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