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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:46 am 
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When I saw the goblins for the first time I thought to myself, if kids looked like that I might be tempted to sprog.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 1:00 am 
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It would probably be a mistake for somebody else to attempt the Hobbit...even though the novel is written somewhat differently than the LotR...anybody else but PJ would not have the same 'feel'.  Whomever it is would be pressured to have his/her own 'style' and the movie would suffer as a result.  I hope things work out for PJ to do it, because I really wanted to see the dragon..... :)


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:10 am 
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yep it's ALL about the dragon, how could you not dig smaug c.s. ?!?




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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:52 pm 
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(illuvitar @ Nov. 22 2006,04:10)
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yep it's ALL about the dragon, how could you not dig smaug c.s. ?!?

I beg to differ. I'm looking forward to seeing an army of Dwarves.  :p   And Smaug, and the Battle of Five Armies, and ....  :D

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:02 pm 
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I think it's GOOD not everything is "suitably dark". If I want that I'll watch news these days... :(

As for the Hobbit, I like it. I have read two different Finnish translations (the first of which was quite horrible because it used "translated" names...) and the English language version as well.

Then again, I don't find the council of Rivendell the least bit dull. It establishes a lot of the background. On the contrary I'd have liked if it had included the part where they explained the Ringwraiths in detail.  :;):  Nowadays books seem to be more and more like Hollywood movies. One continuous action scene from start to finish. I don't like that.

I do admit it took me two readings to get into Silmarillion and The Book of Unfinished Tales certainly started to smell more than a little as Certain Person™ just milking the fanbase for ??. I haven't touched either the Book of Lost Tales or The Lays of Beleriand for just that reason.

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(Mojarn Piett @ Nov. 23 2006,15:02)
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?Nowadays books seem to be more and more like Hollywood movies. One continuous action scene from start to finish. I don't like that.

That's the reason the new Dune books pale in comparision to the original ones.
It is written with Hollywood in their mind.

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Hi Guys,

I'm probably in a minority of folks that thought the PJ films started out with great promise and went downhill after that. I loved the first film and was steadily disappointed after that. What PJ did with Shelob really annoyed me.

And the final film ROTK really shrunk down some of the best scenes and the book and made a horrible "Hobbit-palooza"... I was ready to barf after some of the stonky hobbit scenes in ROTK.

I haven't read "The Hobbit" for many years and definitely not as an adult over the age of 18... ...but, I have fond memories of it and remembered thinking that it did an awful lot for such a little book and felt that it did as much with one little book as LOTR did with three. Of course, I was much younger then...

Still, I liked it.

It sure kicked butt on the really boring Simarillion, which reads like pharamceutical packaging (I did finally labor through it though)... the mythos of Simarillion were good, but the writing was awful.

I'm not upset that PJ isn't going to do it. He could probably ruin that too.

OK... RANT MODE OFF.

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I'm working on a modified version of this post for my blog.

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(Mojarn Piett @ Nov. 23 2006,09:02)
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I do admit it took me two readings to get into Silmarillion and The Book of Unfinished Tales certainly started to smell more than a little as Certain Person? just milking the fanbase for ??. I haven't touched either the Book of Lost Tales or The Lays of Beleriand for just that reason.

Good point, Mojarn. It does seem like Christopher Tolkien is more interested in wringing every last cent out of his father's writings, complete or not.

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Hi Guys,

I finally got a final version of that post up on my blog here:

http://6mm-minis.blogspot.com/

I also put up some amusing LOTR graphics...

Check it out if you get a chance...

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I've been looking forward to that.  Thanks, Maksim. :)

I share a lot of your views, but not your choice of 'babe'.  To me, she's the personification of what went wrong with the movies, thanks to her appearance in the first.

I liked her in Team America: World Police, though. :devil:


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I disagree with your views on the movies.

Yes, the first is the best but the first book was also the best. Overall I rate all three LotR movies as best movies I ever saw.

O.Bloom was okay as Legolas. Peter Jackson casted in my opinion the correct cast for all parts. That includes the elf who says: 'Hello, Mister Anderson....I mean Aragorn....'
And as much as Arwen's first movie action scene is a change to the book I understand the change and don't bother about it.
Shelob was also okay.

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you disappoint me, Mr Frodo.

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(Vermis @ Nov. 25 2006,17:10)
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I share a lot of your views, but not your choice of 'babe'. ?To me, she's the personification of what went wrong with the movies, thanks to her appearance in the first.

I liked her in Team America: World Police, though. :devil:

To that I say.... 'Matt - Day-mon'... :;):   :devil:

I thought it was time i waded in on this lotr bashing - sorry, debate  :D

To be honest, I've never read the books - I've been put of by a friend who, inspite telling me they're great, follows this by saying around 2/3 of the books are description of the characters travelling, stopping soewhere to camp, then travelling again, then stopping somewhere to camp... etc.

I went to see Fellowship on the back of a huge amount of expectation, and some high critical praise.

I was blown away.  The moment at which I knew these films are on an equal cultural footing with the original Star Wars trilogy was Gandalf's confrontation with the Balrog.

For the next two years I waited with baited breath for the sequels, and loved every moment of them.

A recent article on the trilogoy in a renowned film magazine I read said the greatest acheivement of the films was that, in our supposedly 'cynical' times, the public by and large accepted without question the world so lovingly and lavishly created by the film makers.  I was totally swept up by them, and for the three successive Christmases the films were released I was taken to Middle Earth, like so many other people.

When people criticise them for steering away from the books, bear in mind that film franchises based upon popular books which DO stick to the source slavishly usually lack the dramatic or emotional impact the books may be noted for (I'm thinking directly of Harry Potter here - loved the books (even if the lastest is dragging the school-year structure too far), but have been boreed to tears by the films).  In that respect, if I ever do read Tolkein's books (having only read the Hobbit), I will do my best to regard them in a different light to the films.


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Hm.  I'm of the opinion that the films could have been a lot closer to the books and they wouldn't have suffered.  In some cases I think they would have benefited.  The Watcher in the Water, for instance, was transformed from an unseen creeping horror into a Godzilla/Jurassic Park wannabe.  And a horribly-designed one at that.

See, now, what you're making me do?  I'm getting into my zealous geeky rants again. :laugh:


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I have mixed feelings..I'm happy we got the films... very happy.  Without PJ they wouldnt have happened.  Period.  That gets him the gold star in my book, even if he could have done better.  Still, it irritates me that they are squabbling over the Hobbit...  whenever bureacracies  fight, the subject matter and the fans invariably suffer in the end.  :(


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