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Author:  CyberShadow [ Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:18 am ]
Post subject:  Fonts
Hi. I am thinking about changing the font on the site from the old Times to Georgia. What do you think?

This is Times, the site currently uses this.

This is Georgia, it is Serif and I think that I prefer it.
Author:  primarch [ Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:29 pm ]
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Hi!

I think cosmetic changes in a website or forum are always good from time to time, so changing would be nice.

Primarch :)
Author:  Jimbo [ Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Fonts
Times is also a serif font (it has the fiddly bits at the ends of the letters) a sans serif font (like Arial) doesn't have them

my choice (which wasn't on the poll) is Verdana
Author:  CyberShadow [ Wed Oct 01, 2003 4:01 pm ]
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I had heard that in the majority of cases, Serif fonts are easier to read.
Author:  Jimbo [ Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:23 pm ]
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I had heard that in the majority of cases, Serif fonts are easier to read.

well it depends on which research papers you read

for years I was under the impression that serif typefaces were easier to read, however talking to colleagues who know about these kind of things, sans serif typefaces are in fact easier to read especially for those who have reading or visual problems.

in regards to the site, the key is to ensure that you use a valid css file and therefore a user having problems can change the fonts accordingly - in other words don't use the tag!

From the W3C site

Also, for best results, the HTML markup should be non-presentational (avoid e.g. tables for layout, FONT tags, overuse of
, etc.) and structural (e.g. use H1-H6 for headings).

I am not saying my sites follow this protocols... but some of them are originally from 1998 and therefore are old (and now I know better).
:cool:
Author:  CyberShadow [ Thu Oct 02, 2003 1:03 pm ]
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Well, I do use CSS, there is no way that I would think about changing the font if I had to go through each page and change the font tag!  :p

But, I use tables to excess. Every page is a table, so I fail on that point. It just makes it easier to use.

I think that it is really difficult to change the font of the site via the browser, as the font tag to be changed is in the table section of the CSS, not the standard.
Author:  primarch [ Thu Oct 02, 2003 2:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Fonts
Hi!

Verdana is a good choice too, as long as the font is legible and not too exotic any of those picks should be good.

Primarch
Author:  Jimbo [ Thu Oct 02, 2003 8:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Fonts
Quote (CyberShadow @ 02 2003 Oct.,13:03)
I think that it is really difficult to change the font of the site via the browser, as the font tag to be changed is in the table section of the CSS, not the standard.

depends on which browser you are using...

:p

Safari (the Mac Browser) allows you to choose your own CSS file and IIRC Mozilla does as well!

Well, I do use CSS, there is no way that I would think about changing the font if I had to go through each page and change the font tag!

I have to admit not checking the source code of your site, but Dreamweaver does allow you to do a site wide search and replace - something I did recently with my old site adding a large headline on the top of the page informing browsers of the new URL.

What do you use to write the code for the site?

But, I use tables to excess. Every page is a table, so I fail on that point. It just makes it easier to use.
As I also use tables for presentation purposes I can't really criticise the use of tables, but I should make the point that the W3C standards are there to make life easier for the user...
Author:  CyberShadow [ Fri Oct 03, 2003 11:30 am ]
Post subject:  Fonts
Quote (Jimbo @ 02 2003 Oct.,20:44)

Safari (the Mac Browser) allows you to choose your own CSS file and IIRC Mozilla does as well!


I knew that there would be the mention of a Mac product if I waited long enough.  :D

The trouble is that the CSS files are easy to change from most browsers. However, since my pages are all in a large table, all the data is in table cells. Changing the general font therefore has no effect, and it will only work if you specifically change the font in tables. I dont know if browsers let you do this quite so easily as I have not experimented.

I have to admit not checking the source code of your site, but Dreamweaver does allow you to do a site wide search and replace - something I did recently with my old site adding a large headline on the top of the page informing browsers of the new URL.

What do you use to write the code for the site?

Notepad.  :)

Seriously, it is all done by hand and formatted. If you check the source you should see it nicely laid out and easy to read. I have a personal distaste of HTML editors, and dont like to use them. Once you have a page template put together it really doesnt take much time to simply add text, tables and pictures. And I now have a fairly good understanding of how tables work!  :p

As I also use tables for presentation purposes I can't really criticise the use of tables, but I should make the point that the W3C standards are there to make life easier for the user...

True, but I dont think that there are many sites which adhere to them completely!

I ran another of my sites through their automatic checkers and you should have seen the number of warnings, mostly about trivial things. I would like to make the site as easy to see and use as possible, including for special viewers, etc (for example I now try to put ALT text on pictures) but I am far from perfect when considering the 'rules'.
Author:  Jimbo [ Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:37 pm ]
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Quote (CyberShadow @ 03 2003 Oct.,11:30)
True, but I dont think that there are many sites which adhere to them completely!

You are right, one site I remember seeing had been done in Publisher (the DTP software from MS) in which all the text and graphics was just one huge picture.

Some sites I have written have to adhere to the W3C guidelines.

http://www.fairenough.ac.uk

It's nearly there, but I need to make some changes to the server to adhere completely.
Author:  CyberShadow [ Sat Oct 04, 2003 8:11 pm ]
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Cool. What do you actually do? You seem to have a lot of web sites out there.
Author:  Jimbo [ Sat Oct 04, 2003 9:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Fonts
I have a few...

My current job is concerened with online learning and therefore I have to spend a lot of time dealing with the internet and technologies. Part of this is the design and creation of websites for  various projects, we don't outsource, partly down to cost, time and the fact I quite enjoy designing and putting a website together.

and a few old ones are still out there from previous jobs...

http://www.at-bristol.org.uk/space_web/
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