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Post subject: FW Valkyrie vs. Specialist photos wanted  Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 8:09 pm |
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Hi,
we had a number (>10) games with IG, Space Marines, Orks and (since last week) Eldar.
In all games except one involving the IG the IG army lost!!
After a game we usually swap armies and sides and play again with slightly different terrain, so different players lost with our IG army.
This is very surprising to me, as I had the feeling the IG army had some extremely powerful units: the leman russ, the artillery and rough riders.
The IG army varied from game to game but typically used:
1-2 tank companies (10 leman russ)
1 artillery company
1x3 or 2x3 hydras
2-3 rough rider units
1 mech inf company, sometimes improved with Ogryns & Hellhounds
some storm troopers (mostly in valkyrie proxies)
Usually the IG player used the IG army quite defensively, shoot as much as possible and firefight approaching enemies with the storm troopers, mechi infantry and the rough rider (40cm charge).
Most of the time the IG player not only lost by objectives (which would be explained by the rather defensive style) but his army was clearly broken and destroyed by the 4th turn (mostly by enemy assaults).
In our first games the artillery was quickly destroyed by enemy assaults (e.g. Space Marine drop pods) but since intermix the artillery with storm troopers (FF value) and screen it with rough riders it usually survives (but the Artillery, Hydras and the screen bind significantly more than 1000 points!)
I don't think the game is unbalanced, we are probably both playing the IG too defensively but I would like to hear your comments. Do you have similar experiences? Any good moves or other tips for the IG army? Do you play it offensively or also defensively?
thanks
Oliver
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Post subject: FW Valkyrie vs. Specialist photos wanted Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2004 9:04 pm |
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I usually play either 3 mechinzed companies each with the fire support upgrade. Or 1 Mech and 2 foot slogger if points are low. ?At a 3000 point game I add a tank company, two Hydras batteries, 1 rough rider, and 1 Thunderbolt formation.
In either case I set up a wall of firepower that when I get Assaulted gives me almost as many units in support as the target has assualting. at the same time the large units are very tough to break.
This force does not move well but you can't park in front of it.
I have not been the victim of Air assualt units yet, my opponent is working on his ork landa. But I have seen few formations that can take the punishment of two of my main formations firing into them. ?A Mech company plus fire support at 30cm has 33 AP5+ shots. ? ?
Don't be afriad to advance with the Mech forces. ?With a double move they have a 60cm movement. ?Combined with a 30cm shooting range they have a long reach. ?
Remember that objectives have no memory. ?I have found it very diifcult to throw enough units at the IG to break them without leaving behind objectives. ?
The IG have to play a waitng game. ?They have to deny victory while keeping their fighting strength intact.
I hope that helps good luck.
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Post subject: FW Valkyrie vs. Specialist photos wanted Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 7:05 am |
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The IG are the best combined arms force in the game. The have lots of FA/CAS, AFVs, and Infantry (plus Cav even!). They should be the easiest Army to use. They can take a some tactical bungling and bounce back because of their numbers and heavy tanks. As a combined arms force, they should be used on the offensive (L4 SoTR), based on mission of course. Your comments appear sound to me C/C. I like your use of Mech Forces(  ) with combined supporting assets ! Did your homework, I see ! 
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Post subject: FW Valkyrie vs. Specialist photos wanted Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2004 7:39 am |
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Good point! ?
But starting out in the 101, I am lucky in being experienced in both and use both in the game. I can't wait to do an Air Assault with the new E:A Stormtroops and Valkyries supported by Vultures!
Light Forces are trickier to use, especially in open terrain. But can be used with Mech Forces, I've done it! ?
Oh, the book - "A Bridge Too Far" by C. Ryan... good flick too! 
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Post subject: FW Valkyrie vs. Specialist photos wanted Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 5:12 pm |
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If interested, please email Nick at NUGaming, an independent GW stockist, and ask what he has left of his limited stock.
His email is nick.umanski@nugaming.com
If you do make an order, please do the honourable thing and tell him that David Candlish referred you, david.candlish@convergys.com. He sponsored my Blood Bowl tournament last year and I want him to know it was worth it
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Post subject: FW Valkyrie vs. Specialist photos wanted Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 5:37 pm |
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I must admit to being a scale snob. 
I do not like to own the same models that are of different scales. I do not mind a slight shift from "type to type" but I do not like to have two Baneblades, one of the FW and the other of the original metal. Either I want both one or the other.
Anyway, before I buy Valkyries from either source, does anyone have both that could take a few shots to show how different they realy are in size? This could make a differance for me.
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Post subject: FW Valkyrie vs. Specialist photos wanted Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 9:11 pm |
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Hi!
Dafrca, I ordered all the remaining FW stuff, so give it a few weeks until it arrives and I will give you comparative photos.
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Post subject: FW Valkyrie vs. Specialist photos wanted Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 10:22 pm |
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I agree on the scale thing, it makes both of them look wrong. Thats why I've stuck with ordering large no's of FW valkryies and will only get a few metal if they are very close scale.
Heres to snobbery 
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dafrca
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Post subject: FW Valkyrie vs. Specialist photos wanted Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 10:31 pm |
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| Quote (primarch @ 14 2004 May,13:11) | Hi!
Dafrca, I ordered all the remaining FW stuff, so give it a few weeks until it arrives and I will give you comparative photos.
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Thanks Primarch. I can wait, it's not like I do not have tons to paint already, between Epic and my 15mm Sci-Fi forces. 
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Post subject: FW Valkyrie vs. Specialist photos wanted Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 10:52 pm |
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| Quote (penal battalion @ 14 2004 May,14:22) | | I agree on the scale thing, it makes both of them look wrong. |
I started to see this back when I first started my 1/285th scale modern collection. I bought HUMVEEs or M113 variants from more then one company. Then when you placed them on the table I had a HUMVEE bigger then one of the M113s and the M113s where three different sizes. Made it look odd. 
Later on I saw the same thing with my friends 15mm WWII vehicles. Shermans from different sources were not the same scale. Very odd.
So I have tried to stick to one company for most stuff. In the case of Forge World and GW, even though they seem to be the same company in ownership, they seem to have the same issues. Models not the same scale. I look at the Wolfhounds, shape differances aside, and they were different in size. Same for all the super heavies.
Anyway, I am ranting, so I will stop.
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Post subject: FW Valkyrie vs. Specialist photos wanted Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 3:25 am |
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Dafrca,
I know what you mean, but I still like variety. I've found that I just keep all the pieces of one type to a unit that the disparities aren't so bad.
Take care and Shalom,
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Post subject: FW Valkyrie vs. Specialist photos wanted Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 4:37 am |
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| Quote (primarch @ 14 2004 May,20:03) | Hi!
If there is one thing I have learned regarding epic over the years is that you dont sweat the scale.
Its never been consistent, never has, never will. As long as the individual model looks good and I have fun using it, thats all that really matters..... ?
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I do not have an issue with scale overall from Epic. What I do not want is to have two Rhinos next to each other and have one clearly larger then the other. Or to have my company of three baneblades with two much smaller then the third.
I do not mind that the Rhino, the marine, and the Thunderhawk are each slightly different scale. That is not big deal to me.
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Post subject: FW Valkyrie vs. Specialist photos wanted Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 8:21 am |
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Agree on the scale in the same force situation. As long as they are in diffrent formations or armies its okay. Or if no one points it out on the battle field, it's a sure fire way of me targeting it with irrational amounts of weapons.
The M113 are a very good example especialy in 10mm/ 1/200th scale, gets confusing! 
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