I haven't looked through it yet, I'm printing it off and will read it at home. Just thought I'd tell you all, since its been ages coming.
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| Author: | Shadow Hunter [ Thu Nov 27, 2003 5:57 pm ] |
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I haven't looked through it yet, I'm printing it off and will read it at home. Just thought I'd tell you all, since its been ages coming.
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| Author: | stormseer [ Thu Nov 27, 2003 6:18 pm ] |
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Cheers for posting.... just downloaded it.. 
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| Author: | Serps [ Thu Nov 27, 2003 11:41 pm ] |
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list of changes? |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 1:01 am ] |
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Well that should make our "Eldarphiles" happy ! 
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| Author: | Shadow Hunter [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:44 am ] |
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It looks okay, but I've spotted some mistakes. I'll post them on the epicA forum too. The ones I can remember. On the cost page, in the EoV section it lists a Great Hawk, but there isn't one in the army list. Why can no transport carry rangers? Why do jetbikes still have no armour save? Warp spiders only have a speed of 15cm. Why does a Vampire's twin pulse laser have the same stats as a normal pulse laser on the Revenant? The Warlock titan is listed as having pulsars rather than Pshychic Lance in its weapon fit options. There was probably more, but thats all I can remember now. |
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| Author: | CrimsonFury [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 10:31 am ] |
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The great hawk stats have not been created yet, Jervis said he is waiting for concept sketches before doing them, he just got ahead of himself and listed the unit in the army list. I agree the transport should be able to carry rangers. And jetbikes should have armour (and vypers armour went down  )The warp spiders speed is not an error, it has always been 15cm, they have infiltration though (so they can charge 30cm) Vampire pulsar stats are indeed wrong The Warlock is listed as having a psychic lance in the list i'm looking at ?O_o. As for the other changes, hmm where to begin, lots of stuff: Aspect warriors have been tweaked to try and make them all worth the same points cost Dark reapers went from 3x shots with AP5+\AT6+ to one shot with AP4+\AT6+. Their FF value was reduced from 4+ to 5+. Dire Avengers FF value was reduced from 3+ to 4+, but they now small arms +1 extra attacks Shining spears armour was increased from 5+ to 4+ Fire dragons FF was increase from 5+ to 4+ Banshees and Scorpions unchanged Swooping hawks speed incrase from 30cm to 35cm Warp spiders armour lowered from 3+ to 5+ Exarchs gained the inspiring ability, and now have one of 2 types of attacks. Either +1 extra attack macro weapon, or +1 extra attack small arms. (close combat exarchs get the CC attack, shoot exarchs get the small arms attack). Guardian Warhosts changed from 12 models to 9, and the farseer is a character upgrade now (although Jervis said in the forum this was a mistake, and will be changing farseer back to seperate character). Formation costs 125 points (half its previous cost) but guardians no longer have a heavy weapon in their squad. (since Jervis remembered they can't fit in transports in WH40K). These are now an upgrade (Replace 3 guardians with heavy platforms at 50 points). War walkers and support weapons are now additional unit upgrades rather than replace ments (so you can have a formation of upto 15 units including 3 walkers + 3 support platforms). Walkers are 100 points each and support platforms are 75. Support platforms changed from vibro cannons to D-cannons with the stats: 30cm MW5+. War walkers had missle launcher changed for bright lance. Storm guardian troupe formation added. 6 guardians at 100 points, can replace 3 models with heavy weapons platforms for 100 points. These formations are mainly to fit in vampires and stormserpants (new super heavy tank). All Eldar tanks except night spinners went up to 4+ armour. Wave serpent had twin scatter lasers changed for twin shuriken cannons Sprit warrior formations are now 3 wraithguard and 3 wraithlord or wave serpants for 225 points Wraith guards wraithcannons now have 2x shots (same statline) Night spinners went up from 150 points to 200 points. Storm Serpant: New super heavy tank, same base statline as a scorpion. Carries 6 units and armed with: Twin pulse lasers + twin shuriken cannons Phoenix and Nightwing armour increase to 4+, jink rule dropped (vampire armour is 5+). Phoenixs missle launchers dropped, now has night spinners (15cm 1BP Disrupt). AA value dropped from pulse lasers stats. Phoenixs are now 3 for 350 points. Nightwings and now 3 for 300 points. Holofields are now a fixed 3+ invulnerable save (instead of normal save, though reinforced armour lets you make a re-roll using your normal armour vaule. eg phantom would get 3+ save then 5+ re-roll. Revenants no longer have reinforced armour) Phantom\Warlock power fist now has built in gun (statline is the same as 3x twin scatter lasers) Phantom can now replace power fist with 2nd pulsar. Phantoms and warlocks have dropped to 650\850 points respectively. |
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| Author: | Shadow Hunter [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 11:37 am ] |
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The Warlock is listed as having a psychic lance in the list i'm looking at O_o. | |
| Author: | Chris [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:36 pm ] |
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Ok, I just downloaded this, and not being an Eldar player, really can't comment on it as I would't have a clue, but it kinda looks good. All we need now is the updated lists for the other swordwind armies! Cheers Chris |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:38 pm ] |
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As I said previously, before you start gluing and painting, be careful. My experience after 4 Epic "rebirths" is there is always a lot of changes ...
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| Author: | primarch [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:24 pm ] |
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Hi! I just base things according to my tastes and leave them that way. Its just too much of a hassle to rebase to accomodate rules. Primarch |
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| Author: | vanvlak [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 7:23 pm ] |
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Hi all - my Landa therapist recommended a spot of Eldar army planning, and to my satisfaction discovered I can field an army of sorts. In fact I have: An Avatar, and models for his court An aspect warrior warhost - only just! One, maybe two gurdian warhosts, with a couple of heavy weapon upgrades and a Farseer One Windrider troupe One Warlock and 2 Phantom Titans! (which cost too much for me to take, as they can only equal 1/3 of the total points. No vehicles...... Back to da drawin bord. BUT - does anyone have an inkling what to do with the old Space Marine era plastic Falcons? I converted one to a wreck as an objective, but is there anything more useful you can do with these? Thanks. 
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| Author: | stormseer [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:43 pm ] |
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You can just use them as Falcons- they may look to have an different weapon fit to the new rules, and just be not particually great models, but if you don't have anything better just use them... I'm planning on buying a few packs of the FW Falcons for my Eldar, as while I have a load of the old ones... well.. they just don't seem very "Eldar-ish" to me! 
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| Author: | vanvlak [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:13 pm ] | ||
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Hi Stormseer, that's the problem, they just don't fit in the Eldar look - maybe I'll wait for the Epic Hrudd release.... 
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| Author: | Chris [ Fri Nov 28, 2003 9:44 pm ] | ||
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Don't count on it before 2008...The Tau ain't scheduled until 2007! Cheers Chris |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Sat Nov 29, 2003 5:28 am ] |
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Faith is a good thing, but by 2007 you'll all be scrambling to reorganize your armies for E:B or C ! 
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