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Post subject: Gargants and Stompas  Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:47 am |
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Hi!
Netepic is correct, in its "golden age" epic was between 12-14%, at least in the US, I used to retail back then so I remember figures from that time well. As time went by it slipped to under 10% (as low as 7% I was told). Epic 40k was supposed to remedy that, in the US they were pitching for a 15%, at least that was the propaganda fed to the independent stockist. It never came even close, about 6 months after release sales were pretty much dead.
Maksim, no worries, get me them when you can. I appreciate the help.
Legion4, no worries, people will play whatever they want, always have always will. But us old foggies from the net epic list love to bitch and moan about GW attitudes regarding epic. Its a shame that the effort going on now wasn't the one done when epic 40k came out, things might have been quite different. But as they say "water under the bridge".
Of course regardless of game system we all do talk a common, the love of epic minis! There is no question the quality of the minis are a lot better overall with some exceptions (eldar titans anyone? Bleh).
Who said we may never play? I still harbor my insane idea of a independent epic convention, who knows it may be near you!
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Post subject: Gargants and Stompas Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:19 am |
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Post subject: Gargants and Stompas Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:20 pm |
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The Fanatic site has posted a pic of the Warhound painted, and even if I painted it in colors that I like, I still think the model blows. So disappointing. Hell, I LOVE the new Eldar Phantom compared to this model.
You know, each Epic system has had it's own styles because of the different sculpters, and I think it was Tim Adock?? or whomever that did most of the Epic40k minis and I don't think the Specialist range will top them in terms of quality and variance. I mean, you could make many Leman Russ variants and now those days are gone. Yes I know Jervis is doing the best he can with what he's got, but this Warhound sucks. I am not crazy about the Drop ship either although I like the concept. The only thing I am sold on right now is the new Land Raider, but we knew what we were getting. It is such a shame GW is putting their best sculpters behind Epic because I think we'd be getting much better stuff.
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Post subject: Gargants and Stompas Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 10:50 pm |
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| Quote (Gandalf the Grey @ 27 2003 Oct.,21:20) | | It is such a shame GW is putting their best sculpters behind Epic because I think we'd be getting much better stuff. |
This quote just doesn't make sense....do you mean "...GW isn't..."? As that would make much more sense.
You bring up a good point about varience with the Epic 40k range, but I believe Jervis is (was) having them re-tooled, at least with the IG stuff, so I think _some_ of the varience will still be there.
Plus, I'm not sure this is the correct place to rant and rave about how bad the new models are. You don't have to buy them! You can get older models.
I know we promote free speech on the forum, but I think a line must be drawn somewhere.
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Post subject: Gargants and Stompas Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:13 pm |
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Hi!
This model was bashed good enough on another thread with you should search to see the gamut of impressions.
Granted its not the prettiest thing they have done, hopefully some "retouching" will be dne on it.
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Post subject: Gargants and Stompas Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2003 11:28 pm |
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| Quote (Chris @ 27 2003 Oct.,21:50) | | You bring up a good point about varience with the Epic 40k range, but I believe Jervis is (was) having them re-tooled, at least with the IG stuff, so I think _some_ of the varience will still be there. |
The new IG miniatures will come with main chassis attached to tracks. The Vanquisher I painted for fanatic was cast like this. Seems a bit strange to me since they've literally made a mould of the 3 parts put together, but it does save some hassle.
I would hope that they will have a number of options available for each of the chassis types, but I dont know anything on this for certain either way.
Primarch:
I'm afraid for those who are not keen, this IS the final model.
Gandalf:
The old models will still be available for the warhound. It does look better in real life, its not a particularly flattering angle. Hopefully I will get clearance to post my own images soon & you can get a better view. Certainly not a favourite of mine, but so far I do personally think its getting more bad press than it really deserves. You're welcome to your opinions though  _________________ Cheers, Paul "TuffSkull" T. http://hobbybrush.com - My New Website, with thousands of painted Mini Pics :) http://hobbybrush.blogspot.com - My Hobby Blog TuffSkull's notepad- My Old Blog on Wargames Wiki.
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Post subject: Gargants and Stompas Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 7:18 am |
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| Quote (Chris @ 27 2003 Oct.,21:50) | [/quote]
[quote="Gandalf the Grey,27 2003 Oct.,21:20"]It is such a shame GW is putting their best sculpters behind Epic because I think we'd be getting much better stuff. |
This quote just doesn't make sense....do you mean "...GW isn't..."? As that would make much more sense. |
My bad. I don't proof read. I am an idiot. Sorry.
Plus, I'm not sure this is the correct place to rant and rave about how bad the new models are. You don't have to buy them! You can get older models.
I know we promote free speech on the forum, but I think a line must be drawn somewhere. |
Where? I'm sorry Chris, if I said I liked it, would you have approved my post? Maybe I'll run everything through you first before I post it, just to make sure you don't think it is a rant or something you might disagree with. ?I know we all like Epic, but I'll be damned if I am going to rubber stamp everything Fanatic releases just because it has Jervis's stamp of approval. ?I think the Warhound sucks and that is that. ?If you like it, you can buy it! I am still going to think that I wouldn't be interested if someone gave it to me for free.
I can't keep track of who said what in what thread because they start out with a theme, but evolve into something completely different. ?If you are reading this post, and feel it has already been covered already, I apologize. ?If you really like the Warhound, and are irritated that I have insulted it, I am sorry. Actually I am not going to apologize for my opinion, I am being sarcastic.
Maybe I have grown out of this s*h*i*t or whatever, but this reminds me how much gamers seem to have their heads up Jervis's ass to a point that if you are the slightest bit critical of what he does you are a bad guy, or he's our savior because he has given us the Ork Landa! Thank God! ?Please, give me a break. ?I actually thought that posting here was more diplomatic than saying it sucked on the Epic Playtesting forum, but I guess it doesn't make a difference where I post.
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Post subject: Gargants and Stompas Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:41 am |
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Okay, everyone relax and breath deeply. 
This model has been released for EpicA, and this is the EpicA forum. I dont see a problem with criticising it here, so will leave the thread here. Just like if someone were to praise the new Valkyrie (yum) I'd leave it here.
And as for the topic beng covered, that maybe true. But, like Gandalf, I dont get to see every post. Where the Warhound was critiscised was on a thread of another topic, so its not unusual for him to have not seen it. Many posts do start on one subject, and end up being one liners from star trek.   I too stop reading threads after a few pages, often because there's not much more of relevance there.
It would be far easier just to point him in the direction of other peoples comments. We are fortunant now to have a site large enough where a lot is going on, and people with a lack of time may miss things like this.
Anyway, I would have personally loved to see the warhound looking like the 40K version that's recently released. That is a lovely model. I will, however, reserve judgement until I see it in the flesh.
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! And use a hybrid system as I stated many (too many) times before. I've been playing war games since '70 in one form or another so I'm sure I'm in the old foggies category, (and proud of it 
!) That being said, I always welcome the interaction on the Forums and look forward to them and E-A. 4-5 years from now we'll be having a similar discussion about E-B 
! Legion 4
The E40k sprue had minis from two regiments, Catachans and Valhallans. No more generic IG from planet x. No more jump pack IG.