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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:54 pm 
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Why do the Hellbore, Moles and Termites, which did have a Firepower rating in Epic40k, not have any weaponry at all in Epic A?  I'm just asking, because it makes my Hellbore and Moles kinda useless in Epic A, and that sucks. :angry:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:26 pm 
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At a guess because they dont have any weaponry (that I can remember) sculpted onthe model - Its WYSIWYG.

As I recall, it was the trasporters & not the tunneler itself in most cases that got the firepower originally anyway wasnt it?  :oo

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:34 pm 
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I brought up this problem with Jervis on the official playtest boards, and he said the same as Tuff, they don't have weapons on them, so they have no firepower. I was annoyed at this, as I have two hellbores myself!

The main purpose of them now is just to be used as another kind of troop transport.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:47 pm 
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Rrrr...that is annoying.  Especially in the case of the Moles, who have to stay attached to the formation that they transport.   hmmm, maybe the weapons are in turrets that pop up after the mole surfaces?  I'm going to think on this.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:21 pm 
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You could always just model some on and use the WYSIWYG rule... }:)


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:46 am 
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Hi!

Tunnelers are supposed to establish "beachheads" and centers of resistance.

Pretty useless if they dont have armament.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 5:40 am 
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In SM1 they do and in our Epic paradigm, they still do. ? However, the models have no visable weapons. ?But I did add some on my Hellbore ! ?So G/W can Stuff it !!! :laugh:  The weapons would probably deploy once the tunneller surfaces ... as suggested.  :;):  And with tunnellers, once they surface, the troops inside should be a separate detachment once they disembark ... that is the way we play it. :D

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:16 pm 
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Per jervis, the original design (SM-era) was that none of the tunnellers would have any sort of weaponry, as all their internal space went to tunneling gear and cargo room.

They were badgered by the marketting guys into adding weapon stats on the grounds that no one would buy models that did not have weaponry.  So, they made up weapon stats even though the models had none and the designers didn't like the concept.

Since they are OOP and JJ was making fun-stats only, he went back to the original concept that they were merely underground versions of drop pods.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:52 pm 
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All SM1 Drop Pods had weapons too ... I see the designer vs. marketing conumdrum.   We however, still play that all tunnellers and drop pods have weapons ... go figure !  :;):

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:27 pm 
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Hi!

Drop pods STILL have weapons under net epic. There are troops transports, plasma cannon support and lethal "deathwind" missiles to clear landing zones.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:06 am 
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Same here ... even the Assault Pod has a weapon.   :;):

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 12:19 am 
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Really? What kind of weapon you gave the assault pods?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:02 am 
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Whose to say that the post surfacing operation doesnt reveal fold down weapon turrets, exactly as drop pods do when they deploy?

Just because the model doesnt depict it in that way...

I would assume that they would at least have a small close in defence turret

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:08 am 
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Well I don't know if the Moles or Termites would have anything, maybe a defensive bolter on a Mole, but the Hellbore should have some kind of heavy weapon, besides its defensive turrets.  I mean, its a War Engine, for crying out loud!  

Any suggestions as to what those weapons and stats should be?

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Quote (iblisdrax @ 24 2004 Feb.,10:08)
Any suggestions as to what those weapons and stats should be?

I envisage a number of close range, high rate of fire weapons for defence of the immediate area and to cover troops deploying from the tunneler.

Like Assault Cannons, Gattling lasers & Heavy Flamers.
Similar to the IG's Storm Hammer Superheavy Tank

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