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Author:  Vogon [ Tue Sep 23, 2003 8:12 pm ]
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Greetings

This is my first post on these forums so please don't be too harsh.

The last time I played EPIC was over 10 years ago when it was in the guise of Space Marine (second eddition) although I do still have my Adeptus Titanicus (first eddition).

I got back into GW wargaming a couple of years ago primarily WFB and Mordheim but also 40K.  Having been to Gamesday and spent some time at the Fanatic stand I'm quite interested in getting back into EPIC and have started repainting a couple of my old Titans.

My question is this how easy will it to be for me to pick up the new rule book and get playing?  Does it differ much from the eddition I'm used to?  I seem to have missed the last incarnation of EPIC so I know I'll be a little out of date but by how much?

I used to play Squats but I realise that they no longer exist in the 40K universe but will I be able to use them or is it a completely new army for me?  If so I'll probably go for tyranids as that's what I play in 40K and I really like the Forge World Harridan (so much so I bought one)

Sorry for the barrage of questions but I new  :)

Cheers

Vogon
Author:  Jimbo [ Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:56 pm ]
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Quote (Vogon @ 23 2003 Sep.,20:12)
This is my first post on these forums so please don't be too harsh.

Hi and welcome to the forums

My question is this how easy will it to be for me to pick up the new rule book and get playing?  

Well the rulebook should be out Feb 2004, but in the meantime you can download the rules from here

http://www.specialist-games.com/epic40k/Vault.htm

Does it differ much from the edition I'm used to?  
Well the first thing to say is that there are plenty of people out there who are still playing SM 2nd Edition and the internet variant, netepic. Epic Armageddon is different, but will have elements of SM in it. The question you should be asking is do I want lots of detail and lots of flavour for every unit in my game, or do you want less detail and a more strategic game.

I seem to have missed the last incarnation of EPIC so I know I'll be a little out of date but by how much?
not much and it isn't going to take much to get up to speed

I used to play Squats but I realise that they no longer exist in the 40K universe but will I be able to use them or is it a completely new army for me?  If so I'll probably go for tyranids as that's what I play in 40K and I really like the Forge World Harridan (so much so I bought one)  
Well you may find a Squat list on the EA Yahoo group and there may be a Demiurg (sp?) list (which will be the new Squats).

Hope that helps

:D
Author:  primarch [ Tue Sep 23, 2003 10:58 pm ]
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Hi!

Welcome to the forum Vogon, enjoy your stay.

Your questions comprise a whole slew of "issues" which you should count yourself lucky not to be biased with.

The third encarnation of epic (epic40k) to put it mildly created a schism amongst epic gamers. The game did not fair well in support from GW and sales wise it was abysmal. Epic went from a core game to out of print for the first time.  It took 7 years for GW to come up with another version of epic after that "debacle".

Needless to say things have changed since you played SM second edition, I suggest you try to pick up Epic 40k (epic third edition) and download the playtest rules for epic A and try them out and come to your own conclusions which you like best.

Support for SM second edition comes in the form of "net epic". Its a fan based variant of second edition for those who favor the older system. It has rules for all the latest epic models not released after SM was discontinued and has a host of rule changes while keeping the same core mechanics. I coordinate that effort so I can answer any questions you have.

The netepic rules, army lists and army cards can be downloaded at: www.netepic.org

Primarch
Author:  Legion 4 [ Wed Sep 24, 2003 4:50 am ]
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I think you should have no problem picking up E-A rules. And I agree mostly with what both Jimbo & Primarch have said.  Be advised this is a completely new version of Epic and there is much of E-A that I like.  And I have been playing Epic since SM1 in '90, so I, like Jimbo & Primarch, are "old timers" and don't make our comments lightly.  Check it out ... :;):   And welcome aboard ! :D
Author:  Mojarn Piett [ Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:23 am ]
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Quote (Vogon @ 23 2003 Sep.,20:12)
I used to play Squats but I realise that they no longer exist in the 40K universe but will I be able to use them or is it a completely new army for me? ?If so I'll probably go for tyranids as that's what I play in 40K and I really like the Forge World Harridan (so much so I bought one)

Sorry for the barrage of questions but I new ?:)

Cheers

Vogon

I made a Squat list for E-A a while ago. It is based on the NetEpic Squat list which, in turn, is based on SM2 list. If you want to, you can drop me a PM with your email address included and I'll send it to you. At present it does not include any point values; I am still not familiar of the point value system in E-A. Oh, and it is in "Word" format... }:)
Author:  MaksimSmelchak [ Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:49 pm ]
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Vogon,

Welcome to the boards. You've already received advice from some of the best (Jimbo and Primarch among others), but I'll add in what I can as well.

My question is this how easy will it to be for me to pick up the new rule book and get playing?


Very easy. The game has some similarities that should make it familiar. You still will have to learn the new rules, but it's no problem to do so. E-A is the most streamlined rule set yet for 6mm Epic gaming.

Does it differ much from the eddition I'm used to?  

Some, but not too much.

I seem to have missed the last incarnation of EPIC so I know I'll be a little out of date but by how much?

It's not too bad, It's do-able.

Where did you get the name "Vogon" from?

It reminds me of the cult classic film "Krull."

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Author:  Vogon [ Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:14 pm ]
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Greetings

Thanks all for the information and advise, I'll be going to have a look at those other websites and have downloaded the rules from the Specialist Games website.

In reply to Maksim Smelchak the name Vogon comes from the Douglas Adams Books The Hitch Hikers guide to the Galaxy and are responsible for the destruction of the earth in the opening chapters.  This is also where my Sig comes from.

To Mojarn Piett I'll send you a PM with my email and thanks.

Vogon
Author:  stormseer [ Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:04 pm ]
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Hi! ...Welcome to the boards Vogon, good taste in what you read I see..  :D
Author:  Jimbo [ Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:17 pm ]
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I have to admit to not really having the taste for Vogon poetry.

:)
Author:  primarch [ Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:31 pm ]
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Hi!

Ah the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, what a great book!

Whatever help you need let us now!

Primarch
Author:  Athmos [ Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:28 pm ]
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yes, that's a great book !

Welcome here Vogon, (if i'm not too new myself to greet other people as if it were my home) !

Others have answered your questions, so 'ill just add that like you, i played SM2/TL a lot, but had leave the hobby and never tried Epic40K (even if i heard about it...). I decided to throw a look at Epic 40K rules, currently in playtesting, mostly after seeing pics of the new (from forgeworld) or future Epic minis, and lo ! I consider this game the best epic game i know of.

But those are just my personal tastes and opinions...

Athmos
Author:  GlynG [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:41 pm ]
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e-mailed FW yesterday to enquire what their stance on Fanatics 'evolution' was and to enquire whether they perhaps intended to increase model production as a result (to compensate for the lack of SGs releases), to decrease production (due to fears of lack of sales) or keep things roughly the same.

The reply was quite positive and it looks like FW plan to continue to support and expand their epic ranges, for at least the forseeable future. Though some of you out there may prefer the metal personally I love the extra detail and regard this as excellent news :)

Full reply cut and pasted below:

i can reveal as much as we have decided! Yes we will continue the epic range and while the existing specialist games department are effectively 'maintaining' the rules side of the hobby, we will now be the main developer of the models. Please note this is a new addition and forge world is a small outing with only a few model makers on board, obviously the Specialist games ranges will take a side note to our current projects and ventures, however i will confirm that we will definitely be expanding things further in the future and developing a lot more new models and / or making our own versions of existing pieces (like we did with epic imperial guard). As and when we will start the next big thing for these systems i am not sure but i am sure you will start to see new releases from us by the end of the year. I am not sure about War master, Mordhiem or blood bowl, these have not been spoke about but the range of forgeworld Epic and BFG models will grow considerably in the coming year or two.

Many thanks

Chris Shepperson
Forge World


Glyn
Author:  stormseer [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:05 pm ]
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As I said on the SG boards, great stuff! Really glad to hear this, it makes a nice change! :cool:
Author:  Mojarn Piett [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:06 pm ]
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Ahhh, now this IS good news. The only thing I hope is that the "Making our versions of the existing stuff" part is left on the back seat...
Author:  Warmaster Nice [ Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:19 pm ]
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My only beef is with the prices of FW infantry. While the quality is unparallelled, so is the price tag. I don't mind paying that extra for a few specialist troops but for the basic grunts I think it's too expensive so I hope SG will at least keep the existing plastics (and hopefully a few of the E40k era ones too) in production.
FW vehicles is great IMO. First of all quality and price are excellent, secondly resiin modles doesn't get paint chippings as easily as metal models. :cool:

Cheers! :)
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