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Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
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Author:  MaksimSmelchak [ Mon Jun 09, 2003 3:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
Does anyone know what the difference for the SM Hunter and SM Whirlwind Hyperios is?

Other than one being designed by FW for 28mm 40k and the other by Jervis for E-A!

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Can someone who has the FW Imperial Update book fill me in on what the Landraider Helios does?

This is what FW has on the site:

This is a five-part resin conversion kit for the plastic Land Raider to equip it with a large missile launcher and targetting system. Master model by Will Hayes. The full rules for using the Helios in games of Warhammer 40,000 can be found in Imperial Armour Update


What is the Helios missile launcher for us against? Land targets, aerial targets or something else?

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Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Author:  primarch [ Tue Jun 10, 2003 12:14 am ]
Post subject:  Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
Hi!

I'd be interesting in knowing too. I'm way out of the loop as far as updated Warhammer40k is being shaped.

Primarch
Author:  Mojarn Piett [ Tue Jun 10, 2003 8:49 am ]
Post subject:  Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
Can someone who has the FW Imperial Update book fill me in on what the Landraider Helios does?


Fluff from the update:

"The Land Raider Helios is a simple workshop conversion of the standard Land Raider, replacing the twin-linked Heavy Bolters with a Whirlwind missile launcher. Thus turning the standard land Raider into a long range support vehicle. First constructed by tech marines of the Red Scorpions Chapter, when extra artillery support was needed during the siege of Helios -it was felt that the Whirlwinds alone could not deliver enough fire into the citadel and the Red Scorpions were unwilling to rely upon Imperial Guard support. Whilst Whirlwinds remain the standard artillery vehicle of all Chapters, the flexible Helios variant has spread to other chapters, to be deployed when they are in need of extra artillery support."

0-1 Heavy support choice; may carry 6 marines.

About the Hunter and Hyperios I have no info. ?:(
Author:  Tas [ Tue Jun 10, 2003 1:10 pm ]
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Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 10 2003 June,00:34)
Does anyone know what the difference for the SM Hunter and SM Whirlwind Hyperios is?

I've posted the question on the EA playtesters board but so far only silence in reply from Jervis...
Author:  MaksimSmelchak [ Tue Jun 10, 2003 3:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
Tas,

Thanks for posting the question at E-A.

I've been tempted too, but I don't make it very often by the E-A playtester's board.

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Author:  primarch [ Wed Jun 11, 2003 12:43 am ]
Post subject:  Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
Hi!

Thank you for the explanation Mojarn.

Much appreciated.

Primarch
Author:  Tas [ Wed Jun 11, 2003 2:13 am ]
Post subject:  Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
Hmmm... Jervis has been and gone on the GW E-A Forum, but has yet to address this issue. ?I think this will end up being a classic case of the two areas of GW not talking to each other. ?

IMHO - You can bet that the FW designation Hyperios will end up being the official one because the model is already being advertised, and it's going to be easier to just change some text in the E-A draft rules and remove "Hunter."
Author:  MaksimSmelchak [ Sun Jun 15, 2003 2:02 am ]
Post subject:  Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
Tas,

I'd put my money on your version of things.

Helios or Hunter, what does everyone think?

Shabbat Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Author:  Legion 4 [ Sun Jun 15, 2003 5:57 am ]
Post subject:  Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
G/W will make the Hunter and F/W will make the Hyperios. ?

It follows their pattern, do the most illogical and uneccessary...

As long as the artist/model maker is happy. ?}:)
Author:  MaksimSmelchak [ Sun Jun 29, 2003 5:54 am ]
Post subject:  Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
The new hobby shop (funnily enough called Hobby Monkey) had a copy of "Imperial Armor - Update" (IA-Update) so I took a look through it.

One of the things I noticed (not in "IA - Update" though) was that the Black Library has a campaign history book coming out for Armageddon as well as the new Imperial Armor - Compilation book. It's massive.

Anyone seen it?

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Author:  Legion 4 [ Sun Jun 29, 2003 6:17 am ]
Post subject:  Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
The Forge World NL shows some pages from the Imp. Armour book. Very cool... :cool: ?

Is that the same book? ?

Sounds like it... ????
Author:  MaksimSmelchak [ Sun Jun 29, 2003 6:34 am ]
Post subject:  Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
Legion-4,

The Forge World NL shows some pages from the Imp. Armour book. Very cool...  
Is that the same book?


FW is coming out with the new Imperial Armor mega book so, yes, it's the same book.

If you look on the Black Library site, you can see previews of the new Armageddon History / Scenario book. It looks very cool.

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Author:  dafrca [ Sun Jun 29, 2003 5:38 pm ]
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Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 28 2003 June,22:34)
If you look on the Black Library site, you can see previews of the new Armageddon History / Scenario book. It looks very cool.


The local store has this book in and I was most UN-impressed. Based on their previous efforts I thought this book was not as good. I had thought to pick one up but did not once I looked through it.

Dafrca.
Author:  MaksimSmelchak [ Sun Jun 29, 2003 5:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
Dafrca,

Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 28 2003 June,22:34)
If you look on the Black Library site, you can see previews of the new Armageddon History / Scenario book. It looks very cool.

The local store has this book, Armageddon History Book,  in and I was most UN-impressed. Based on their previous efforts I thought this book was not as good. I had thought to pick one up but did not once I looked through it.
Dafrca.


That's interesting. I haven't seen the Armageddon history book yet in the flesh so to speak.

What were its' shortcomings?

Low production value?
Poor illustrations?
Lame fluff text?
Poor background?

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Author:  Jimbo [ Sun Jun 29, 2003 7:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Helios, Hunter and Hyperious, Oh my!
Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 29 2003 June,06:34)
The Forge World NL shows some pages from the Imp. Armour book. Very cool... ?
Is that the same book?

FW is coming out with the new Imperial Armor mega book so, yes, it's the same book.


And Jimbo pre-ordered the FW book this morning... expecting to get it in August, but it actually becomes available on the 1st of September.

I saw the only copy in the UK (the other is in the USA) and it is a really really nice book and well worth the ?45.

:D
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