Yes, that's been the problem since Day 1 ! But who would of thought that G/W or F/W would be inconsistent !!!
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| Author: | Jackhammer [ Sat Sep 20, 2003 12:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
Looking at Epic it is pretty obvious the infantry are out of scale with everything else. They couldn't all cram into their designated transport vehicles and just try fitting all a Titan's crew into it's head. Just not going to work! What I was wondering was, do you think everything else is in the same scale as each other or is the entire range just mixed up sizewise? Jackhammer |
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| Author: | primarch [ Sat Sep 20, 2003 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
Hi! This has been a long chronic problem since the line began. There is no consistency even amongst the same model through the years since infantry models have grown a little and the old baneblade is smaller than the newer one. The most recent land raider at the games day according to accounts was way to big, but Jervis will make sure it gets scaled down. Primarch |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Sat Sep 20, 2003 3:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
Yes, that's been the problem since Day 1 ! But who would of thought that G/W or F/W would be inconsistent !!!
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| Author: | MaksimSmelchak [ Sat Sep 20, 2003 5:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
Epic model scale has been very erratic and inconsistent throughout the games. Most Epic minis have experienced size inflation (growing larger)since the begnning of the sytem as AT-1/SM-1. For example: Infantry: AT-1/SM-1: - The original plastics were very small... say 5mm, but the original metal infantry were large, say 7-8mm and fit right in with Ogryns! The original Ork pieces have very large Orks molded on them! SM-2/TL: - The next set of plastic sprues grew slightly in height (and detail) and the majority of plastics tend to be from this era. The Eldar sprue underwent a number of changes. The SMs grew greatly in detail. E-40k: - The new era of E-40k plastics greatly increased ins ize, say to around the 6.5-7mm scale, but, AGAIN, the detail was mazingly better than many of their predecessors. However, the price went up too! Essentially, we got less for more. Bummer. E-A: - The E-A figures, while not yet released, look to be mostly recycled E-40k figures, but the new FW resin figures are large, but relatively in good scale with the E-40k figures. OVERALL NOTES: - Most infantry figures in the game don't scale particularly well with their vehicular counterparts. I don't let this bother me. I just think of the pieces as representative rather than exact scale duplicates. Vehicles: AT-1/SM-1: - Most vehicles tend to be at a 6-7mm scale, but some larger vehicles are definitely smaller like Ork Battlefortresses. SM-2/TL: - Vehicles from this era grew, for the most part, in size to around 6.5-8mm scale. L-Russes for example look much bigger than the originals. E-40k: - Again, the line grew to around 7-9mm in scale. Some pieces look right at home with 10mm minis. E-A: - The new FW pieces are the largest of all. the trend is that the minis grow over time to include more detail. OVERALL NOTES: - AGAIN, most vehicular miniatures don't scale particularly well with each other. I don't let this bother me. I just think of the pieces as representative rather than exact scale duplicates. Aircraft: AT-1/SM-1: - Very few aircraft and mostly skimmers with no real set scale. Most skimmers such as the plastic Land Speeders are to a rough scale with the infantry on the sprues. Others like the first Squat airships are definitely on a smaller scale if the fluff holds. Most "praetorian" class large vehicles are also scaled smaller, which makes them more convenient to fit on the battlefield. SM-2/TL: - The first real aircraft come in with TL and they are small compared to later aircraft. I'd say they were at 5mm or possibly smaller scale. They work great as game pieces, but for anal-retentive scale mauds, they fail miserably! E-40k: - Aircraft grew yet again! I tend to call these aircraft at 6mm scale. E-A: - The FW stuff released during playtest so far are the largest aircraft yet. They scale well with the vehicles and infantry, which mean that they are HUGE! While aesthetically pleasing, they are a bit large for game pieces. OVERALL NOTES: - I'm not sure if I like the trend for aircraft to achieve realistic proportion and scale with the rest of the line. I'd like to play a game where two bombers don't cover the entire table! I didn't review Titan scale in this rant. Shabbat shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. |
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| Author: | primarch [ Sat Sep 20, 2003 9:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
Hi! Titans have gotten larger, but its not as notable, and since the original ones are plastics and later ones are metal the comparison may not be entirely fair. Flyer scales have been wacky, just look at the different encarnations of the thunderhawk gunship. Its STILL not the right size... Primarch |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
Yup ! Maksim and Primarch are correct ! I've been "Epicing" since SM1 in '90, and have most of everything that has been released since. Much appears to be an afterthought or poorly organized ... |
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| Author: | primarch [ Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
Hi! I dont think there has ever been a concerted effort on GW part to scrutinize the lines scale. I'm glad Jervis is aware of this and will try to exert some control over them. Epic is nominally 6mm, but its really closer to 7-8 mm, which is Battletech's scale. Primarch |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
I hope someone takes charge ! Between models coming and going, whole races disappearing, F/W just making anything that "looks cool", 3 different sizes of Infantry, etc., etc. ! Hell on Epic Yahoo, one dude thought the Thud Gun on the Dropship site was new and E40K IG were the metal ones on strips !  HuH !!!?  Stop the madness ! 
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| Author: | primarch [ Sun Sep 21, 2003 6:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
Hi! Lets face it Legion4, not a whole lot of people care about this issues besides the few of us on this forum. As long as the scale is consistent within the new wave of releases they wouldn't care how they stand up to the older models, perhaps to get older players to buy newer models? From GW? Say it isn't so....  As for keeping track of things, well, dont hold your breath, you may die of lack of oxygen. Primarch |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Mon Sep 22, 2003 6:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
The cold hard facts in the G/W-F/W Epic universe ...  
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| Author: | wargame_insomniac [ Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
Posted on the SG Forum: http://www.specialist-games.com/epic/fo ... IC_ID=5551 Post from Jervis announcing that new army champion for the AMTL (Adeptus Mechanicus Titan Legions) army list is Epiccomms very own Dysartes!! Congrats to Dysartes and am sure he will do a great job continuing Dafrca's hard work on getting the list started. Cheers James |
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| Author: | vanvlak [ Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
Thanks for all the hard work Dafrca, and good luck to you Dysartes - I'll be PMing you my 37-volume work detailing exactly what a Titan Legion should include.  Edit - list up by end of February? Woohoo! |
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| Author: | Warmaster Nice [ Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:29 pm ] |
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Congrats D  I'm sure you'll do just as good a job as Dafrcas formidable effort  Cheers! 
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| Author: | MaksimSmelchak [ Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
Mazel Tov, Dysartes! Shalom, Maksim-Smelchak. |
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| Author: | Legion 4 [ Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | An issue of scale |
Good job "D" !!!
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