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Quick question on army lists
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Author:  pancakeonions [ Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Quick question on army lists
So I've read the rules (this set: http://www.tp.net-armageddon.org/tournament-pack/), but not yet played, and am wondering if anyone has made cards for the units / formations.

I've seen unit cards for NetEpic, and have some cards for older versions (Space Marine and Epic40,000) and I've printed out the army lists for the net-armageddon rules but they're too small for my poor eyes! Creating an army (and making these stats user-friendly in game) might be a challenge!

I can't seem to find cards for net-armageddon, but with so many variations of this game out there, I'm wondering if I've just missed something really obvious...

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Author:  Kyrt [ Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick question on army lists
There are some linked from the netea website but it seems the link is dead. A quick google shows this, i think its the same site:
http://home.comcast.net/~epicarmycard/M ... e/Main.htm

but in general they tend not to be used by many, only really if you want to play 2nd edition style but with 4th edition rules.
Author:  Ginger [ Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick question on army lists
Card stats were generally used for earlier versions of the rules. Epic Armageddon army lists come with a quick reference sheet which is more functional, but much less 'shiny'.
Author:  jimmyzimms [ Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick question on army lists
One of the issues with cards in that fashion is there's no universal Tactical formation / Cost / Upgrade / Stats combination as each list is unique in that respect, representing a particular campaign or style or event the eponymous force was involved in. Compare this say to 2nd Edition where there's an Uber-MARINES deck of cards (yes I know there's specialty cards for things like the Death Company and whatnot).

Therefore you'd need a serious number of cards to represent everything possible which would be a biaaaathch to maintain. Even if it was boiled down to just stats they'd be different between Codex, Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Space Wolves as each has a particular spin on their units, and that's just Tactical units!

So let's see of we could help you out here. Is it trying to build armies or keeping the stats in check you're having trouble with, just to focus the discussion.

I actually though that a little mobile app pulling stats and image links for units from Dave's CMS would actually be pretty friendly and fun. Then i think about it and get too lazy to bother writing it... :D
Author:  pancakeonions [ Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick question on army lists
Thanks folks!

It is both army building, and to have a handy (and focused) page of stats while playing a game.

I've found an army builder, but it's just the points (i.e., shows you the list of what you've got, but no stats). That is handy. But what would be awesome (you tease, jimmy!) would be an army builder that then spits out a sheet showing your dudes (and just your dudes), with all their relevant stats. An option to show the faction specific rules, and unit abilities explained would also be excellent.

This game looks absolutely fantastic, but the learning curve for the newbie is rough. Folks who've played tons probably don't have this problem (and may even have most of the stats in their heads...!)

But yes, you're right about the cards. It would be quite an endeavor to maintain an up-to-date and user-friendly list of all the units in the game.

If I have to just use the player aids as they're available online (enlarged 10xs....) then so be it! I WILL play this game!!!
Author:  Ginger [ Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick question on army lists
Ok, So welcome to the boards and to E:A, which does provide an interesting game (in my subjective opinion).

The general recommendation is to start by reading the rule section #1 (which provides the basic game) and if possible, try out the scenarios with someone. Then progress onto section #2 (special abilities) which provides some colour, then section #3 (War engines / Titans) and finally section #4 (Aircraft and Space), playing a brief scenario after each to get hold of the rules. Do this with formations from one or two of the core lists (Marines, Imperial Guard or Orks) before branching out into more esoteric races, of which there are many.

The main reason for this style of approach is that at each stage the basic rules are modified or even overridden, and you need a reasonable grasp of what is happening before getting into some of the more complex interactions. Playing MiniGeddon is another way of getting a grasp on the basic game.
Author:  jimmyzimms [ Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick question on army lists
Yeh Ginger speaks truth about running the training, warengine, and aerospace training scenarios (plus they're fun)

Now all that being said, unit cards for your own use with your local friends could be fun, especially if you're keeping to relatively stable lists (codex, steel legion, ghazghul). Kyussinchains was thinking of making unit cards for the large warengines to track shields, damage, crits so perhaps there's some synergy there?
Author:  Kyrt [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick question on army lists
I actually have a half written list builder that automatically builds up a reference sheet. It's a lot of work though to get a combination of this and adam77's armyforge. I haven't tackled set formation structures yet, you have to build each formation manually..
Author:  johnboyire [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick question on army lists
Kyrt wrote:
I actually have a half written list builder that automatically builds up a reference sheet. It's a lot of work though to get a combination of this and adam77's armyforge. I haven't tackled set formation structures yet, you have to build each formation manually..


GIMMIE!!!!!

love armyforge, with this it would be even more awesome,

on the unit cards:

what would be handy is a template for cards maybe x4 per a4 page, i have downloaded one for battlefleet gothic, - its a compelted one with image and stats you just print and put in a card sleeve and use a marker for noting damage

even a blank template you can insert your own unit image, and have the stats fields blank and a section for special rules, you then just fill in the stats and print, a bit of labour but you put them in a card sleeve and it will do the job - nothing wrong with the reference sheet by the way!

i dont have the skills to do the above, it would be nice for net epic armageddon
Author:  kyussinchains [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick question on army lists
johnboyire wrote:
Kyrt wrote:
I actually have a half written list builder that automatically builds up a reference sheet. It's a lot of work though to get a combination of this and adam77's armyforge. I haven't tackled set formation structures yet, you have to build each formation manually..


GIMMIE!!!!!

love armyforge, with this it would be even more awesome,

on the unit cards:

what would be handy is a template for cards maybe x4 per a4 page, i have downloaded one for battlefleet gothic, - its a compelted one with image and stats you just print and put in a card sleeve and use a marker for noting damage

even a blank template you can insert your own unit image, and have the stats fields blank and a section for special rules, you then just fill in the stats and print, a bit of labour but you put them in a card sleeve and it will do the job - nothing wrong with the reference sheet by the way!

i dont have the skills to do the above, it would be nice for net epic armageddon


I'm working on these at the moment, unfortunately it's a bit of a 'learn as you go' sort of affair, but I think I'm getting there.... my plan will be to have a card, approx A6 size, with a nice arty pic of the war engine in question, the unit stats, weapons, special rules and critical hits, then at the bottom there will be spaces to track shields, damage and crits/fires (if applicable) the idea would be to print, cut out, stick onto card, laminate and use dry-erase markers to write and keep track of damage etc

basically if you've played warmachine/hordes, I'm trying to replicate the 'jack/beast cards for war engines

when I'm happy with it, I'll post up the ones I finish, as well as a blank template and instructions for people to make their own

hope it's of use :)
Author:  johnboyire [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick question on army lists
kyussinchains wrote:
johnboyire wrote:
Kyrt wrote:
I actually have a half written list builder that automatically builds up a reference sheet. It's a lot of work though to get a combination of this and adam77's armyforge. I haven't tackled set formation structures yet, you have to build each formation manually..


GIMMIE!!!!!

love armyforge, with this it would be even more awesome,

on the unit cards:

what would be handy is a template for cards maybe x4 per a4 page, i have downloaded one for battlefleet gothic, - its a compelted one with image and stats you just print and put in a card sleeve and use a marker for noting damage

even a blank template you can insert your own unit image, and have the stats fields blank and a section for special rules, you then just fill in the stats and print, a bit of labour but you put them in a card sleeve and it will do the job - nothing wrong with the reference sheet by the way!

i dont have the skills to do the above, it would be nice for net epic armageddon


I'm working on these at the moment, unfortunately it's a bit of a 'learn as you go' sort of affair, but I think I'm getting there.... my plan will be to have a card, approx A6 size, with a nice arty pic of the war engine in question, the unit stats, weapons, special rules and critical hits, then at the bottom there will be spaces to track shields, damage and crits/fires (if applicable) the idea would be to print, cut out, stick onto card, laminate and use dry-erase markers to write and keep track of damage etc

basically if you've played warmachine/hordes, I'm trying to replicate the 'jack/beast cards for war engines

when I'm happy with it, I'll post up the ones I finish, as well as a blank template and instructions for people to make their own

hope it's of use :)


that sounds great, its something i miss in netea
Author:  kyussinchains [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick question on army lists
hopefully this will be of use?
Author:  pancakeonions [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick question on army lists
Wow, all great news. I know you're doing this for the love of the game, but I can't wait until it's done! Great to hear.
Author:  Kapitan Montag [ Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Quick question on army lists
If you want an army builder that gives you a reference sheet as well here is one that brumbaer made
http://brumbaer.de/Epic/AGen/index.html


I like it, it has all the approved netEA lists, I don't know how to make it output a printable version though.
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