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Crossfire question?
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Author:  Borka [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:03 am ]
Post subject:  Crossfire question?
A rule that came up in one my games during the EEC-tournament was the crossifre rule. I was shooting at a swarm within some buildings. I had another formationon the opposit side of the buildings. That formation was within 45 cm from my shooters but beeing on two sides of said buildings couldn't see each other.

My opponent then said I couldn't claim crossfire because my two formations couldn't draw a line of fire to each other. I looked up the rule and showed it to him. I can't see any such requirement in the rule and he couldn't either so I was alowed the use the crossfire bonus.

Was that the right interpretation or did we miss something? I have quoted the rule below (highlighted the most relevant parts). It only says I have to draw a straight line between my formations, but nothing about the shooting and friendly formation having to actually see each other. Line of fire is only mentioned ones in the rule but that is in regard to the enemy formation being shot at.

GW wrote:
1.11 CROSSFIRE
Formations that take fire from the flank or rear are caught in a deadly crossfire, and will suffer additional casualties as troops struggle to find cover from attacks coming from an unexpected direction.
To represent this, formations are allowed to use the following rules to claim a crossfire bonus when they shoot. You can claim the crossfire bonus if you can draw a straight line up to 45cm long from any of the units in the shooting formation to any unit in another friendly formation and this line crosses a unit from the target formation or the gap between two units from the target formation.

The friendly unit that the crossfire line is drawn to must have a line of fire to a unit from the target formation, but does not have to be in range with any of its weapons. You may not use units that are in broken or marching formations to claim the crossfire bonus.


There's nothing in the FAQ (tournament pack 2013-08-07) mentioning the requirement of line of fire either when I checked.
Author:  Onyx [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Crossfire question?
You played it right.

There is no requirement for either of the cross-firing formations to be able to see eachother.
Both formations must have Line of Fire (LoS) to the target formation and be within 45cm of each other (with the 45cm line crossing through any part of the target formation).
Author:  Ginger [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Crossfire question?
Agreed Onyx. To *shoot* at a target you need to have LoS. However, Crossfire simulates the heightened concern experienced by a target being surrounded by enemy formations, so the formations just need to be in the correct position either side of the target without needing to have LoS between the two formations.

Indeed the rule goes on to state that Range (and thus LoS) to the target is *not* a requirement for the other formation.
Author:  Borka [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crossfire question?
Rug wrote:
Borka, in our game we got it wrong though as the Crisis suits didn't have LOS on my loaded Wave Serpents even though the Hammerheads did on the Suits due to being popped up, my bad! No harm no foul though, I don't think it had an impact.


Yeah I realised that as well after reading through the rules. So my bad I think! :)
The mentioned occasion above was from another game.

Edit: thanks for your answers Onyx and Ginger. Good to know I wasn't cheating.
Author:  Onyx [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crossfire question?
Ginger wrote:
Indeed the rule goes on to state that Range (and thus LoS) to the target is *not* a requirement for the other formation.

I believe your last sentence is an error there Ginger "(and thus LoS)".
Both formations MUST have a LoS to the target formationfor a Cross fire to be claimed.
The mention of range is in no way connected to the LoS.
Quote:
The friendly unit that the crossfire line is drawn to must have a line of fire to a unit from the target formation, but does not have to be in range with any of its weapons.

Example: A formation armed with only 15cm weapons could still be used to create a Crossfire situation if it was 16cm from the target formation. Range is only imporatnt from the actual attacking formation.
Author:  Ginger [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crossfire question?
Ha, I am not sure that both formations need LoS Onyx. The situation I was thinking of was where the second unit had some blocking terrain between it and the target (eg >10cm of woods), which could leave it in a position to assault even if it cannot shoot.

As far as I am aware, the point of Crossfire is that the target is distracted between the two potential attacking formations, not whether the other formation can shoot or even see the target.
Author:  GlynG [ Mon Sep 29, 2014 7:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Crossfire question?
Read the text in blue above Ginger, it clearly shows the unit you are drawing crossfire to needs LOS to the target
Author:  Onyx [ Tue Sep 30, 2014 1:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Crossfire question?
Ginger, you are trying to make this far more complicated than it is.
The rule is very clear.
Nothing more to say really.
Author:  Ginger [ Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Crossfire question?
Ok, thanks for the clarification guys - I stand corrected about the LoS point :-X
Does this need stating more clearly in a FAQ?
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