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| Author: | Warlocked [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
So me and my friend came across the situation of firing MW at a unit of LV and AV where the LV were at the front. We aren't overly experienced with LV as there isn't a large following of epic in our area and we have only really played against each other and a few others. Excuses out the way now, whilst i owned the Tau drone/Hammerhead combination using drones for the first time like this argued that when firing a MW at my unit since LV can be hit by both AP/AT therefore an eligible target, they should be hit first. On the other hand he argued that LV were much smaller than the tanks (regardless of if they float or not) and why should something which is the power of a MW, be it a large explosion of death or some kind of pinpoint laser, have to hit something small when you would be aiming at bigger target. Whilst i believe i have the rules on my side. I agree with his opinion of the reality of the situation. Could someone please A) Confirm that i have it right in that it is an eligible target and therefore must be taken off first. and B) Give a bit of clarity as to the WHY the rules allow for something smaller to block fire to something bigger. When you can fire at a War Engine past other tanks in a formation. Thank you! |
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| Author: | Dave [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
MW's can't be declared as AT or AP values. You can only declare that you're taking the -1 to hit things in cover (and thus be able to hit all units in a formation) or not taking the -1 to hit (and only hit those things out of cover). So after you resolved normal AP and AT hits, start again for MW at the closest enemy unit and work to next furthest away and so on. So in your example, the hits should be going on the LV's (if any of them made their saves for the normal hits). |
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| Author: | Ulrik [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
Dave wrote: MW's can be declared as AT or AP values. You meant can't right. |
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| Author: | Dave [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
Yep, fixed. |
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| Author: | Ginger [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
To explain further, you have the right sense that MW are really powerful weapons that annihilate big targets let alone puny little tankettes. To reflect this, hits are resolved in two rounds.
Note TK fire is a specialised version of MW which can be targeted at War Engines and Titans, though the firer must specify this when shooting. Otherwise TK shots are processed like MW hits. |
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| Author: | kyussinchains [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
Actually, war engines and titans in a formation mixed with other vehicles (either LV or AV) may always be targeted separately, by AT, MW or TK....... |
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| Author: | Ulrik [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
kyussinchains wrote: Actually, war engines and titans in a formation mixed with other vehicles (either LV or AV) may always be targeted separately, by AT, MW or TK....... But not in assaults. To the cackling glee of tyranid players with mixed Dominatrix/hormagaunt formations. |
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| Author: | kyussinchains [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
Well of course....
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| Author: | Ulrik [ Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
Just thought I'd mention it 
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| Author: | Warlocked [ Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
Thanks for the replies. We have discussed it some more and have come to the conclusion that it works really well for the game, it just doesnt make 'real world sense' but that the rules cant allow for everything. So thanks for the clarification guys. |
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| Author: | Ulrik [ Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
Just put it down there not being that big a difference between an LV and an AV. But when you're talking War Engines, it's impossible to mistake them and so they attract MW fire like flies! |
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| Author: | GlynG [ Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
Others have cleared up your rules question but Tau Gun Drones are infantry not LVs. Are you using the current Tau list? It can be found in the Tournament Pack. |
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| Author: | MikeT [ Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
As Glyn above said, drones are infantry not LV, so shouldn't be being allocated AT hits. A light vehicle is something that's as as big as an armoured vehicle, but lacking the former's protection against small arms fire. Big enough to be hit by anti armour weapons, flimsy enough to be damaged by anti personal weapons. |
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| Author: | Warlocked [ Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
This is an issue which we had quite a while ago. I have since realized that they are no longer LV. We have been out of the game for quite a while. Been full time building a 12"x8" gaming table for our epic battles at our local club. But i thought i would address the problem we had before we get back into it. We are only a few weeks away from completion, maybe ill post some pics once we are 'done' (done enough to play on, but far from finished in terms of things we want on there). |
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| Author: | Lord Aaron [ Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Rules Query: Firing Macroweapon at mixed LV/AV |
wait, so what you guys are saying, if your hit from both MW and normal AT hits, you Have to do the AT first, apply the results, then shoot the MW's and apply hits? so you cant take the MW and titan killer hits on the shields and the AT on the armor? |
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