Excellent, hopefully I'll get a handful of slower armies to try it out against this weekend then
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| Author: | enri [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Corner set up vs long sides |
Just occurred to me this morning, after nosing through the rulebook for the umpteenth time and hoping some of it will eventually stick... that I don't know what's considered the opponents table half when you set up in opposite corners... is it measured as a diagonal from one unused corner to the other, or is it split lengthways or width ways? I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say.... it's a 5 minute pre-game chat issue because I couldn't find it mentioned anywhere. Also, what are the pros and cons of setting up in the table corners? Are there any advantages for any particular race in setting up this way? are there any races it really disadvantages? Off the top of my head, the only disadvantages I could think of were for horde armies who would have their potential set up area reduced a bit (on a 6' x 4' table: 2700cm2 for normal long edge deployment vs 2025cm2 for a corner deployment... a 25% reduction in deployment zone!), hopefully leading to them getting bunched up and packed in a bit. I guess you could set your blitz up on the short edge part of your corner deployment too (or right int he corner of the board), to make the enemy have to go that bit further in nabbing that... so, good against slow moving armies? Likewise, I guess slow moving horde armies could similarly dump their blitz in the corner and protect it with a massive mob of warm bodies. |
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| Author: | kyussinchains [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Corner set up vs long sides |
I've always played it as a diagonal line Advantages are generally for fast armies, and slow armies tend to struggle to grab the blitz and get many units into the other table half |
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| Author: | enri [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Corner set up vs long sides |
Excellent, hopefully I'll get a handful of slower armies to try it out against this weekend then
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Corner set up vs long sides |
If you have a Spacecraft, it gives the opponent 1 foot less of deployment zone to deploy his army in. :-p |
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| Author: | Ginger [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Corner set up vs long sides |
enri wrote: Just occurred to me this morning, after nosing through the rulebook for the umpteenth time and hoping some of it will eventually stick... that I don't know what's considered the opponents table half when you set up in opposite corners... is it measured as a diagonal from one unused corner to the other, or is it split lengthways or width ways? As kyussinchains says, it is a diagonal line, resulting in a deployment area that is "L" shaped.I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say.... it's a 5 minute pre-game chat issue because I couldn't find it mentioned anywhere. Quote: Also, what are the pros and cons of setting up in the table corners? Are there any advantages for any particular race in setting up this way? are there any races it really disadvantages? Off the top of my head, the only disadvantages I could think of were for horde armies who would have their potential set up area reduced a bit (on a 6' x 4' table: 2700cm2 for normal long edge deployment vs 2025cm2 for a corner deployment... a 25% reduction in deployment zone!), hopefully leading to them getting bunched up and packed in a bit. I guess you could set your blitz up on the short edge part of your corner deployment too (or right int he corner of the board), to make the enemy have to go that bit further in nabbing that... so, good against slow moving armies? Likewise, I guess slow moving horde armies could similarly dump their blitz in the corner and protect it with a massive mob of warm bodies. There are a number of points here:- Horde armies also tend to be slower, and corner deployment puts them further away from your Blitz when placed in the corner, though it is actually closer if placed on the other end of the 'short edge'. You are correct that the "L" shape results in a smaller deployment area which makes it easier to predict where the opposing troops will deploy and move. This in turn makes it more likely that a space bombardment will hit a target, and makes them more vulnerable to artillery - especially if they crowd a 'a massive mob of warm bodies' around it in the corner  Also, you can put T&H objectives near the diagonal and thus even further apart, which favours mobile armies even more. Though as Rug says, it also give you the same problems and experienced players will exploit them (eg targeting transports to remove mobility from your army). |
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| Author: | Mephiston [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Corner set up vs long sides |
To be honest if your list hasn't been designed with corners in mind (ala Matt O) then it rarely works other than in the shock factor Rug mentions. |
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| Author: | carlos [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Corner set up vs long sides |
I once played Eldar against Tyranids and picked corner deployment. GOOD TIMES!!!!!!! |
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| Author: | Steve54 [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Corner set up vs long sides |
Thats easily counteracted though - nid player sets up blitz at tip of the L and then both objectives as close as possible to that. Unless the opponent has a spacehip that constricts the table into a tiny area |
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| Author: | Mephiston [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Corner set up vs long sides |
Steve54 wrote: Thats easily counteracted though - nid player sets up blitz at tip of the L and then both objectives as close as possible to that. Unless the opponent has a spacehip that constricts the table into a tiny area I remember a game v your Vanaheim like that
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| Author: | carlos [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 10:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Corner set up vs long sides |
Steve54 wrote: Thats easily counteracted though - nid player sets up blitz at tip of the L and then both objectives as close as possible to that. Unless the opponent has a spacehip that constricts the table into a tiny area Good thing I play against scrubs and not awesome players like you, Steve. SCRUBS FTW! |
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| Author: | enri [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:00 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Corner set up vs long sides |
am I right in thinking the L shape is the usual GW L shape... in that it doesn't stretch the whole length of the board? but rather half of each side of the board? Can't really help but think the rulebook could do with a little clarity, just to make it blazingly obvious for the likes of idiots like me who assume it is and then second guess themselves because they haven't seen it explicitly mentioned.. i.e. the corner deployment zones are like this, yay or nay?  Full of too many dumb questions today, sorry about that and thanks all so far for the clarifications, pros and cons etc... I'll certainly look to try giving it a go at least once at OW18, just need to find a nice slow army to try it out against
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| Author: | Steve54 [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Corner set up vs long sides |
carlos wrote: Steve54 wrote: Thats easily counteracted though - nid player sets up blitz at tip of the L and then both objectives as close as possible to that. Unless the opponent has a spacehip that constricts the table into a tiny area Good thing I play against scrubs and not awesome players like you, Steve. SCRUBS FTW! I was the victim not the cunning one No cheating by either side |
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| Author: | Mephiston [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Corner set up vs long sides |
enri wrote: am I right in thinking the L shape is the usual GW L shape... in that it doesn't stretch the whole length of the board? but rather half of each side of the board? Can't really help but think the rulebook could do with a little clarity, just to make it blazingly obvious for the likes of idiots like me who assume it is and then second guess themselves because they haven't seen it explicitly mentioned.. i.e. the corner deployment zones are like this, yay or nay? Full of too many dumb questions today, sorry about that and thanks all so far for the clarifications, pros and cons etc... I'll certainly look to try giving it a go at least once at OW18, just need to find a nice slow army to try it out against Your diag looks correct to me. The depth of the L is 15cm of course. |
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| Author: | enri [ Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Corner set up vs long sides |
Yea I got the scale a little wrong doing that but for all intents and purposes figured it did the job
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