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Epic, Swordwind questions, balance, bases...... ?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:54 am 
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Hi

I haven't really played Epic since a lot in 2nd ed. and a little in 3rd. ed.
Some questions regarding Epic Armageddon (not so interested in NetEpic at this time):

GENERAL
1. Would you say the army lists are somewhat balanced?
2. What armies are overpowered in your opinion?
3. What armies are underpowered in your opinion?
4. How different are the rules in the printed Epic Armageddon rulebook from those on GWs site right now?

SWORDWIND
5. Do people tend to play with Swordwind?
6. How are Feral Orks faring compared to normal orks (esp. balance)?
7. Anyone with some experience with feral orks they like to share?
8. How are the Siege Masters list compared to the vanilla Imperial Guard list (esp. balance)?
9. Anyone with experience with siege masters who likes to share?

OTHER
10. Does it matter in terms of charging or other game mechanics if you use the square or the rectangular infantry bases? Any advantages of one over the other?
11. Do you believe Epic will ever be back from GW?
12. I know they are impossible to get these days, but anyone with experience with Tau?
13. How would you rate the Warhound titans from Forgeworld vs. those on GWs site. Forgeworld Warhounds are actually cheaper as you get two.
14. There are soo many links, alone in this forum, too much stuff. I can't seem to find out what are official army lists, what are GW development army lists and what are community development lists.
15. Can you mention the most important EPIC ARMAGEDDON links or ressources?

Cheers, hope some can answer some of these questions... I am thinking to return to Epic but I need some info before I can decide what to get..

I hope you can help a returning veteran out here :P


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:53 am 
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GENERAL
1. Would you say the army lists are somewhat balanced?

yes, the rulebook lists (and swordwind) have issues, but if you hunt around for NetEA lists, the approved lists are very well balanced

2. What armies are overpowered in your opinion?

none, some are difficult to play against as a beginner or with certain armies (in general tyranids can struggle against eldar for example)

3. What armies are underpowered in your opinion?

again none of the NetEA armies are particularly underpowered

4. How different are the rules in the printed Epic Armageddon rulebook from those on GWs site right now?

not hugely, just a few tweaks and clarifications in general, pretty much everyone on here uses the GW book with the 2008 update

SWORDWIND
5. Do people tend to play with Swordwind?

in friendly games, sure, but I think most people here use NetEA or EpicUK lists, they're much the same, but with tweaks for balance and playability

6. How are Feral Orks faring compared to normal orks (esp. balance)?

they do alright, I've only played against the epicUK list, but they seem fine

8. How are the Siege Masters list compared to the vanilla Imperial Guard list (esp. balance)?

often considered a bit boring, but balance is fine, they tend to have a static playstyle, then sending out floods of light fast tanks to nab objectives

OTHER
10. Does it matter in terms of charging or other game mechanics if you use the square or the rectangular infantry bases? Any advantages of one over the other?

you can string out the strip bases to cover more ground, can be important with scout screens.... I've seen people win tournaments with round bases however so it's not a huge handicap

11. Do you believe Epic will ever be back from GW?

no, there is a possibility that it may come back in a limited release 'big box' format somewhere down the line (a'la space hulk and dreadfleet)

12. I know they are impossible to get these days, but anyone with experience with Tau?

not as impossible as you might think..... they are a great army, lots of firepower and combined arms tactics (markerlights+guided missiles)

13. How would you rate the Warhound titans from Forgeworld vs. those on GWs site. Forgeworld Warhounds are actually cheaper as you get two.

total no-brainer, the FW models are better in every way, the current metal warhound looks like a friday afternoon sculpt IMO...

14. There are soo many links, alone in this forum, too much stuff. I can't seem to find out what are official army lists, what are GW development army lists and what are community development lists.

The NetEA compendium is a good starting point for all the community lists, all of the GW development lists have been continued in this supplement. EpicUK has their own set of lists for tournament play, broadly similar but somewhat reduced in scope and power to facilitate an even playing field for tournaments (UK-based tournaments anyway)

15. Can you mention the most important EPIC ARMAGEDDON links or ressources?

you are already here :) it takes a while to find your way around, but between this place and the SG section on GW's website you're pretty well covered

oh and welcome :D

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:46 am 
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To add specifics to kyussin's answer about links, all the rules on the GW site have the 2008 updates. They are the first thing you need.

The second thing you need are the army lists; the ones on the GW site are fine, but you'll get better general balance from the NetEA lists in the NetEA Army Compendium. An important note about NetEA lists - there are three 'levels' of list. Experimental lists are those with possible balance problems or little reported playtesting. Developmental lists have most of their problems ironed out and a goos pool of playtests. Approved lists are considered balanced for tournament play by the NetERC, due to proven balance through a large pool of playtests.

You may also want to browse the EpicUK lists - in general they are similar (but not identical) to NetEA lists, but there are some notable where EUK have produced a list that is not represented by or notably different to the NetEA interpretions. The basic rules are the same, however, so you should feel comfortable using a NetEA list against an EUK list, or either against a GW list.

Finally, there are the FAQs. There are a large store of rules questions that have come up over the years, and a great many clarifications or explanations of odd situations you may encounter. They are not required for freindly play, but if you're playing competatively, other players will probably assume you're aware of them. They are also immensely helpful. The NetEA FAQ is here. EUK seems to use the FAQ on the GW site, which is wholly contained in the NetEA version.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:44 am 
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I am reading this with great interest.. thanks guys!

I will leave in 2 hours for a few weeks of holiday, I shall look into it more upon my return. Can't wait to get started with Epic again..

I am thinking guard, two armies, one in whiteish and one in blackish colours... a large titan legion. This way I could field one huge army if need be or two medium/large against each other when I play with friends and family who haven't an army themselves..
Mainly because I love Titans..

On the other hand I am very attracted to Tau and Orcs as well.. Tau has a huge place in thoughts..


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I would suggest guard or orks to start off with, much more forgiving playstyle and quite simple to figure out

BTW where are you based?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:53 am 
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btw. I have 20 years of experience with playing wargames, so I am not afraid of hard modes... but what I do prefer in armies are versatile lists that let you do a little of everything..


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I thought the same...... I assumed 20 years experience would be enough....... :D

I still get routinely battered almost every week...... although I might just be dense

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LOL

what army do you play?


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at the moment I have a steel legion army (check the linky in my signature for pics)

I've just about gotten the hang of it now, I'm planning on starting my codex marines after I move house in a few weeks, after that is a shoebox full of eldar (one army is never enough!)

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Your Steel Legion is looking great..

How versatile is the list to play with?

yeah.. I may need to just a large bunch of those split in two parts, so I can field a Traitor and a Loyal Legion to combat each other.. or intermingle if I want to do something huge..
Anyways I miss those Shadow Swords and Warhounds ;)


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it's pretty versatile, although guard lean towards shooting rather than engagements, however a list with plenty of stormtroopers, rough riders and mechanised companies with attached ogryns might be a good option if you want to engage the enemy rather than shooting him to bits..... however they'll probably never be as effective at engagements as marines, eldar or tyranids.....

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Hey you made it over. Cool.

Seeing as you asked about my Tau over on WS I'll link you up here http://taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/view ... 30&start=0

I also did a small trawl of the 6mm painitng section and found a few others for you.
http://onyxworkshop.wordpress.com/epic-armageddon/tau/ (Lots of great armies here)
http://taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/view ... &start=150
http://taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/view ... &start=120

Have a look through the 6mm and the Casting & Sculpting section to see some very cool models.


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literally in a plane..
love your red Tau
... I have to have those as well!!! ;D
but damn u FW for discontinuing them!!


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