Tactical Command :: View topic - Assaults

I read it like this: In the LRB, the attacking and defending units roll their attacks, either CC or FF depending on whether they're in base contact or not, and then after this, any other formations not directly involved in the Assault, can add supporting fire using their FF stats if they're within 15cm, before the Assault results are worked out.

In the Errata, this sequence has been altered, so that you make attacks using the attacking and defending formations, and then work out if the assault has been won outright by either the attacking formation if all the defending units have been wiped out, or by the defenders if all attacking units within 15cm have been killed. If either of these things has happened, then the assault is over, and no supporting attacks are made. If the defenders are not wiped out, or any of the attackers within 15cm are alive, then you make supporting attacks from other formations and make a result roll with modifiers to determine the result of the Assault.

I assume this is because the previous rules allowed people to take an Engage action with a small relatively cheap formation, and rely on the massed supporting fire this would trigger from friendly formations positioned nearby to do serious damage to the enemy? Now, you have to attack with enough force to either wipe out the defenders or at least have attackers remaining alive within 15cm of the defending formation to benefit from any supporting fire. Is this right?

Author:	Eternus [ Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:28 pm ]
Post subject:	Assaults - LRB vs Errata
Ok chaps, I've read through the LRB PDF on the GW site, and read the Errata document as well, and it seems that there have been some serious changes made to the way an Assault is worked out. I just wanted to set out my understanding of the changes to make sure I haven't got it wrong. I read it like this: In the LRB, the attacking and defending units roll their attacks, either CC or FF depending on whether they're in base contact or not, and then after this, any other formations not directly involved in the Assault, can add supporting fire using their FF stats if they're within 15cm, before the Assault results are worked out. In the Errata, this sequence has been altered, so that you make attacks using the attacking and defending formations, and then work out if the assault has been won outright by either the attacking formation if all the defending units have been wiped out, or by the defenders if all attacking units within 15cm have been killed. If either of these things has happened, then the assault is over, and no supporting attacks are made. If the defenders are not wiped out, or any of the attackers within 15cm are alive, then you make supporting attacks from other formations and make a result roll with modifiers to determine the result of the Assault. I assume this is because the previous rules allowed people to take an Engage action with a small relatively cheap formation, and rely on the massed supporting fire this would trigger from friendly formations positioned nearby to do serious damage to the enemy? Now, you have to attack with enough force to either wipe out the defenders or at least have attackers remaining alive within 15cm of the defending formation to benefit from any supporting fire. Is this right?

Author:	CaptainSenioris [ Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:38 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assaults - LRB vs Errata
Yup you have it right. Love 'A Bridge too far'

Author:	Eternus [ Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:22 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assaults - LRB vs Errata
CaptainSenioris wrote: Yup you have it right. Love 'A Bridge too far' Me too. Probably the single greatest cast list of any film ever made. Cheers for the response.

Author:	dptdexys [ Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:50 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assaults - LRB vs Errata
Eternus wrote: I read it like this: In the LRB, the attacking and defending units roll their attacks, either CC or FF depending on whether they're in base contact or not, and then after this, any other formations not directly involved in the Assault, can add supporting fire using their FF stats if they're within 15cm, before the Assault results are worked out. In the Errata, this sequence has been altered, so that you make attacks using the attacking and defending formations, and then work out if the assault has been won outright by either the attacking formation if all the defending units have been wiped out, or by the defenders if all attacking units within 15cm have been killed. If either of these things has happened, then the assault is over, and no supporting attacks are made. If the defenders are not wiped out, or any of the attackers within 15cm are alive, then you make supporting attacks from other formations and make a result roll with modifiers to determine the result of the Assault. The updated Rule Book PDF on GW's site has (or should have) the same wording as the Errata PDF, but they are both changed from the original Rule Book. Quote: I assume this is because the previous rules allowed people to take an Engage action with a small relatively cheap formation, and rely on the massed supporting fire this would trigger from friendly formations positioned nearby to do serious damage to the enemy? Now, you have to attack with enough force to either wipe out the defenders or at least have attackers remaining alive within 15cm of the defending formation to benefit from any supporting fire. Is this right? Correct, usually called a "token assault". In extreme cases you could have a lone surviving unit from a formation (rhino/rough rider/jetbike etc.) perform an engage action on a much bigger formation and call on whatever support was available. The "token assault" unit was usually willingly sacrificed in the assault to kill of as much of an enemy formation as possible, sometimes enough damage was done to break an opponets formation.

Author:	adam77 [ Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:08 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assaults - LRB vs Errata
I thought the curent GW rule-book (Oct09) included all the errata?

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Author:	Ginger [ Sun Jun 19, 2011 10:35 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Assaults - LRB vs Errata
Eternus, just to be clear, you resolve the results of the assault (attackers and defenders) before considering supporting fire. There are several points here If the assault ends (attacker stalls or defender wiped out) then there is no supporting fire. Removing the casualties may mean that supporting units find themselve out of range (or LoS etc) of surviving enemy. In this case (and if the assault ended) they are still 'in position' to support even if they are now unable to actually do so - so will get a BM if their side loses the assault Also don't forget that in both the Assault and Supporting fire phases, 'Normal' hits and MW / TK hits are allocated and resolved separately.

Author:	Eternus [ Mon Jun 20, 2011 9:08 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Assaults - LRB vs Errata
adam77 wrote: I thought the curent GW rule-book (Oct09) included all the errata? Having checked back, you appear to be correct, the copy of the rules I have is older than the current LRB, so I'm in the process of printing off the current Assault section, thanks.

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