Kommandoes: Pretty much not worth it in the core list. You might find one or two in a Landa air assault, just to have some Scout ZoC harassment, but generally you'll see boyz/grotz first. As a dedicated formation, they could be a decent when teamed up with other formations where their combination of abilities provides a good combination, e.g. between two footslogger warbands, but they just don't fit very well with ork units/lists overall.

Battlefortresses: Forts are just fine. As has been discussed many times, they have to be a feature of the army list to be worth it. Tacking a few on is asking for disaster. They work great when there's lots of other heavy stuff for a target-rich environment. With the -10 point discount in NetEA and EUK they are practically a bargain.

It costs extra though and makes the formation vulnerable to AT as well. I realise there are disadvantages to mixing, but I reckon if you bear them in mind the ability to lay a blast marker can be worth it.

Not really, adding even one kommando halves the speed, which completely nullifies the point of stormboyz, so if you're going to use any you're better off using a full formation of kommandoes.

I agree with zombocom that mixing kommando's with storm boy is not something I would do but I do like the ide of putting some in a landa to help with ZOC when my mob lands !!!

And yes when using a battle fortress you should always give your opponent plenty of similar target but doesn't that hold true for most ork formations...

But what I would like to know is , does any one use kommando's as a regular part of ther list, ifs how and what army list are you using

(I do think that some of us are talking about differing army lists)

Yeah ... I call mine "SGT Rokz, Howl'n Kommandoz" !!!

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Infiltrate seems like it could come in handy… just not as much as a free grot unit. But there’s no economical way of buying extra grot stands. That’s pretty much why you might find yourself using kommandos.

I've been using them for about a year now, albeit with very little success!

Compared with Stormboyz there is no comparision, the extra movement wins for me everytime.

They are generally just used a time wasting activation......

Frogkiss, to answer your question, no. No one uses them in there regular army list. They only get used because we have them and took the time to paint them.

Well, but seeing as they are the 'klassic' blood axe unit, and that the blood axes play very differently to standard orks
'tatiks? Kamowhat?", they are definitely going to end up with a sub-list, so there's not the same pressure to make them brilliant in the main list.

Same as how gargants get more options in the OGBM list, so the main list dosen't need all the variant models to be covered. Repeat for Speed Freaks and their light vehicles.

That maybe true, but still stinks having a unit that no one wants to play.

I think a main army list fails and should be adjusted if includes sub-par unit(s), regardless of whether or not they're more usable in a sub-list. I shouldn't need to collect and play a sub-list to make a core unit worth taking.

I like the EUK Kommando formation in principle but it's too expensive; 125pts would probably be fine for the baseline size and I'd like to see it trialled in the NetEA list.

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Amen, brother!

What about using them as upgrades in a warband, for their infiltrate ability?

That seems to be the problem. As others have pointed out, the cost is better spent on Boyz/Grotz. Adds two units (increasing size), adds the Grotz special ability, adds an additional attack (because there's two of them).

The other problem is that the one advantage the Kommandos gain over a standard Boyz (Infiltrate), is made mostly* irrelevant in two out of three deployment options. Foot Troopers get the additional move, but both Mechanized and Airborne Deployed don't. Mebee if they got to move 10cm out of a vehicle, or something. Or a stat bump, or something. There seems to be little impetus in actually changing them at a core level, though.

* They still get the "ignore ZOC", but without the doubling of movement, a 5cm deployment doesn't allow for a lot of ignore ZOC goofiness.

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