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Author:  Apocolocyntosis [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Epic rules, document design and you

I raised this somewhere that it was not really relevant, so here it is somewhere more suitable. There are plenty of people on here who are better at this than me, I’m just a student, but given the lack of anything else currently, here are a few suggestions.

I don’t know much about the rules details of epic, but I see a lot of you making massive threads on rules development, with a lot of time effort and consideration involved and then...just, well I don’t know, just tap the results into MS word without thinking. Some of you produce great documents, some of you produce poor documents, these are just some general points to consider, that seem relevant from looking at some lists. Some of you won't care, that's cool, but if you're interested then I hope this helps:



Some simple document design and typography pointers:


Why should I care? Really, why? I put 10 months into my list and now you’re just here to criticize my font choice?
You should care because you are creating information heavy reference material. You have a lot of information to communicate (stats, rules, army list etc). People will be using your document in situations where speed of reference and accuracy are vital. You need your reader to be able to easily find the correct part of your document, find the information they need and read it accurately without it getting mixed up with other information.


Typefaces
Generally fine, good, readable serif and sans text faces, but
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No? ok, then don’t use them on army lists for those races, even just for the title...
Make sure that your leading (the space between the lines) is not too tight and that ascenders and descenders do not clash.. Some typefaces included condensed fonts, these may be useful in tight tables but make sure that where employed, they are used consistently.


Use styles and be consistent
Learn how to use styles/style sheets in your chosen application. If you do not know what they are then look it up, it will save you vast amounts of time, especially if you change your formatting, it also makes it easier to keep text consistent. If you do not know how to control some of the variable mentioned here, you probably don’t know how to use styles. Even if you’re doing things wrongly, at least be consistent about it.


Line length and columns
Large blocks of text with very long lines can be hard to keep track of. 60–70 characters per line is a good ‘traditional’* point to aim for with a single column, this will look fairly short, make sure you keep it comfortably under 100. Therefore if you are setting a full page text of A4 with modest margins you will probably have some columns. Make sure you have sufficient guttering. Do not do this:
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The guttering is far too small (and other things are wrong, see below). Yes you can see that as a block, there are two columns. However, combined with justified setting, the guttering between the columns and the spacing between the words gets very confused. If in doubt, 5mm minimum gutter.

*It is not entirely clear from research if line lengths within sensible bounds (e.g. under 100) actually make much difference.


Margins
You need margins, they give the page space and both lock in place and give breathing room to the text. Some epic army lists seem terrified of margins larger than 6mm (even cheap, dense paperback novels have larger margins than this and they’re on much smaller paper). There are various ways to calculate margins with paper size ratios etc etc, just be sensible, keep you bottom margin larger than the rest and keep them all over 10mm. Tiny margins and tiny column guttering are an especially nasty combination.


Heading hierarchy spacing
Try not to just hit the return key before and after everything. Have more space above a heading than after it, separating it from what preceded it and connecting it with what it refers to.


The paragraph indent should not be the same as the default tab
An indentation in the first line of a paragraph marks the beginning of that paragraph if other spacing is not used. This indentation should not be 1 inch long and made by just pressing the tab key at random. Around an Em of space is good.
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Tables are buggers
There are some really nice tables in epic documents, minimal rules nice alternate shading etc. Keep furniture to the minimum required, use as and when it improves legibility. Use sensible text alignment within each cell, the most common problem with tables in epic documents seems to be crazy use of centred text and excessive furniture.


Dashes
The vast majority of documents linked on tac-com contain en dashes and hyphens. Pretty much all of them use them wrongly and inconsistently. They are different and should have different uses.
For example the net EA marine book has this on every page:
Quote:
NetEA Army Compendium – DRAFT - SPACE MARINES v1.1 - 1
This is impressive :D , we have two hyphens and an en dash in one line, all of which should be ens.
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Hyphen – this is for hyphenating, hyphens hyphenate things, a small separation to show that two words are connected.

En dash – this is what you should be using in most cases where you are not hyphenating words. The en dash is longer (and often a tad higher), use this. In a numerical ranges e.g. 11–9 (generally without a space) and also – despite what you may see in many places – as punctuation, with a space (people often use hyphens for this incorrectly, you want to suggest a pause – so use this longer dash not the tiny hyphen!). If you see a double hyphen -- it is usually someone trying to indicate an en dash is to be used.

Em dashes – here use varies somewhat with geographical location and time period. In older books the em dash (without spacing) is used instead of the en for in-text punctuation. I think that Americans still use the em dash? In the UK the em dash is now generally not used in most instances, although the em is still useful in some places, such as indicating a null value in a table of stats.

Subtraction – more complete typefaces may included specific subtraction symbols, if it exists, use it. Likewise you will probably find a multiplication sign ×, where present use it instead of the x. x ×


Do not use word art, do not use gradient fills*, do not use Photoshop filters*
They will look like word art, gradient fills and filters. You might think you’re Photoshop filter looks arty, chances are it just looks like a Photoshop filter...

*Unless you actually know what you are doing. :D :P


Do NOT use GW publications as reference
If you’re stuck, looking at other, well designed, books and documents is very helpful. Unfortunately this excludes many things published by GW. A lot of it is great, almost all of it looks great, but a lot of it is inconsistent in detail. I don’t know if GW have a house style, if they do they don’t stick to it. Take a modern WD, a codex from 5 years ago, any random rulebook and a WD from 10 years ago and enjoy the way that the use of en dashes or consistent full stops falls in and out of vogue.

Author:  BlackLegion [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:18 pm ]
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With all the unsual (to me) english terms i guessi understand only half of this :D

Author:  Apocolocyntosis [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:44 pm ]
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BlackLegion wrote:
With all the unsual (to me) english terms i guessi understand only half of this :D

???

guttering = space between columns
Em = width of a capital M (or 1 point per font size point) This is a proportional measurement that changes with the font size.
En = half an em
ascenders and descenders = the sticky up and sticky down bits of letters :D

But your stuff is good anyway BL (or, RC is), you have pretty sensible margins, good attention to detail and just a couple of minor inconstancies occasionally (as do we all :D )

Slightly pointless topic this i know, i just don't like seeing so much effort going into every other area of epic, let down by the documents published as a result of it :P

Author:  BlackLegion [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:58 pm ]
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Well i had an education in media design 7 years ago :) Some stuff still sticks in my brain so that i still can use it. But i'm not used to the english terms :(

Author:  semajnollissor [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:08 pm ]
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You know, alot of the various dash sizes are automatically generated by MS Word, et al. without much control on the part of the user. It can be very frustrating sometimes when you want the same sized dash in a bulleted list but for what ever reason, Word won't give it to you.

And if you switch between different versions constantly (like I do) or switch between Word and Excel (like I do) it gets even worse. Sometimes the text remembers what program it was generated in and refuses to behave like the rest.

Also, justifying text to both sides of a column makes it less readable and encourages unseemly end-line dashing. Let the right hand side float, fight the power!

Author:  Apocolocyntosis [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:44 pm ]
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BlackLegion wrote:
Well i had an education in media design 7 years ago :)


This is the thing, half of tac-com seems to have relevant experience (and the other half seem to be called Matt? im sure someone can have some fun with logic here) but only 10% of the documents seem to be made by these people :D

@ James

Yep word seems to try to auto format spaced hyphens in running text to ens. If im in an application/OS without a convenient en dash shortcut i just copy and paste, once it is a hard character eg, (U+2013), most things seem happier, although im not sure about excel.

I also have a preference for ragged right. But the majority of epic docs (and the rulebook) are fully justified, and the problems illustrated are better accentuated with justified examples :)

Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:49 pm ]
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Hey I like Justified! :-)

Author:  blackhorizon [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 7:21 pm ]
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I made a poem into a supplement for Battlefleet Gothic. (Starblade)
In the Project Distant Darkness pdf I created hidden links, a menu which works (lol, in a pdf and it does its job).

Both are examples on how supplements could look. Not staying within the set limits we know.

Author:  Dave [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:23 pm ]
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A List Apart (a web design website) has a good article on en and em dashes and their uses:

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/emen/

Good reading Apoc, thanks for posting.

Author:  Dobbsy [ Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:23 pm ]
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Apocolocyntosis wrote:
(and the other half seem to be called Matt?

Hey! I resemble that comment :)

Author:  Apocolocyntosis [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:33 am ]
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Hena wrote:
There is a reason for some of these. First the datafax needs width or then a lot of things start to go in two rows making them grow in length a lot. Same applies to the army list page. Somethings got to give to make space (yes that's a pun).


Yeah i can see that there are reasons, and obviously breaking datafax entries over two lines is worse. The GW EA book itself only just manages. One thing to consider though is that for home use you CAN'T use that margin space for text anyway, very few desktop printers are going to physically be able to print 5mm to the edge all round an A4, they will just shrink the page to fit, or just cut it off :D

Great link Dave and i guess that answers my question as to whether or not Americans use em dashes still :)

Author:  Apocolocyntosis [ Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:27 pm ]
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Warning big image, give it a sec, proper thing is A4 pdf but tacom does not like big pdf attatchments :)

Edit: just noticed that awesome is spelt incorrectly all over it, i suck ;D

Datafax example. These datafaxes are using a larger typeface than the GW book and with larger margins. Deliberately long weapon names ranges and fire-power have been used, all of the information still fits neatly, without sacrificing the layout. Also this document does not contain ANY tables ;)
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And yeah the line under the type/speed/ar/cc/ff needs more spacing above :D

Author:  Angel_of_Caliban [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:11 am ]
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***Hijacking***

Didn't someone offer a basic/empty template for MS Office?? If so who are you again? I'm in need of one. =)

***Un-Hijacked***

This topic is very informational.

Author:  Dave [ Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:39 am ]
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I made one for OO, it used Impact and Garamond:

https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0Bwro3W ... y=CO3twOoH

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